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Old 01-06-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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I vote for this^^^

I would also emphasize that this should be for a single person with no kids.

If you're making minimum wage and you can't afford to raise a kid, then please do yourself and your kid a huge favor and give him/her up for adoption.

And as I've said in other posts, part of the problem we have isn't a wage problem. It's that we expect everyone to live in a single family detached house and have their own car type standard of living. So we have inadequate/nonexistent public transporation, no/limited bike and walking infrastructure, cities & towns that sprawl everywhere that force people to go long distances for every errand, etc. This type of development costs a small fortune and it is not affordable for a large swath of the population.

We also have a lot of large cities on the coasts with uber restrictive development policies. The result is they do not build enough housing. Raising minimum wage to $15 as Seattle is doing, doesn't fix this problem because the people at the bottom end of the wage scale are always going to be outbid for housing if it is in short supply. See article entitled Why Middle Class Americans Can't Afford to Live in Liberal Cities

Housing is pretty much NEVER built for the poor or for the working class, built only for the higher income markets.

Which means that generally, the poor can have affordable housing only in declining markets or through government subsidies. Portland is experiencing a building boom but with growing population, housing is rapidly becoming less affordable.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:12 PM
 
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A fairy tale. It doesn't exist, much like bigfoot.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:31 PM
 
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A fairy tale. It doesn't exist, much like bigfoot.
"Living wage" is for each person to define, and for each person to figure out how to earn. It should not a prize for breathing, but rather a sign that one has been successful in being sufficiently useful to the rest of society.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:37 PM
 
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To me it means that Feminist Studies baristas want to make $50K a year and benefits?
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:40 PM
 
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No one is entitled to a "living wage", people are entitled to compensation equal to their contribution value IF working for an hourly wage.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:40 PM
 
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"Living wage" is for each person to define, and for each person to figure out how to earn. It should not a prize for breathing, but rather a sign that one has been successful in being sufficiently useful to the rest of society.

Government can do something about the excess regulation which unnecessarily make those wages insufficient for proper living.

If wages are not considered livable the answer is not to prop up wages but to ramp down the regulations which make those wages unlivable.

It is an inconvenient truth that we as a society have not learned to properly cope with downward mobility.

if wages are decining, the right answer is not to cling to legislated middle class housing standards.
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Old 01-06-2015, 08:23 PM
 
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No one is entitled to a "living wage", people are entitled to compensation equal to their contribution value IF working for an hourly wage.
That's not the system that we have now, though.
The system we have now is that people are compensated based upon the least amount of money that companies can get away with paying them.

That's why you see deplorable situations such as employees making a million dollars for the company- PROFIT- and only being compensated with 50k.

What kind of power do you think that millions upon millions of dollars of exploited labor generates in a society that allows corporate welfare and legalized bribes?
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Old 01-06-2015, 09:39 PM
 
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This site shows the income needed to reach a living wage status in every county/state in the U.S., given family size and composition. I've found it to be fairly accurate in general terms, although of course individual situations will vary somewhat.

Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator
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Old 01-06-2015, 09:48 PM
 
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That's not the system that we have now, though.
The system we have now is that people are compensated based upon the least amount of money that companies can get away with paying them.

That's why you see deplorable situations such as employees making a million dollars for the company- PROFIT- and only being compensated with 50k.

What kind of power do you think that millions upon millions of dollars of exploited labor generates in a society that allows corporate welfare and legalized bribes?
Legalized bribes? You mean unions supporting politicians too? This has been discussed numerous times.

Wage is a result of market supply and demand.

And suckers keep adding new workers from the third world, as if offshoring there isn't enough. Do they get the consequences?
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Old 01-06-2015, 09:51 PM
 
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To me it means that Feminist Studies baristas want to make $50K a year and benefits?
Yes. Otherwise, you are selfish, ignorant, and tragically trash.
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