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Old 04-18-2016, 07:29 PM
 
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I want to make absolutely sure I am understanding this correctly.

The tax rate applied to Long Term Capital gains is determined by ones OTHER Regular income -not the amount of capital gains. Thus a couple making a regular income of under $75,000 would pay a 0% rate on the long -term capital gains even if the capital gains was $2 million. The tax rate would NOT be assessed on any part of the $2 million capital gains and the IRS would get none of the $2 million.

Taxes on Income and Capital Gains for 2016

Is this correct? If so the person needs to quit their day job because the amount of tax at the next level would cost them more than their salary
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Old 04-18-2016, 07:33 PM
 
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You'd face a 20% ltcg rate
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Old 04-18-2016, 07:49 PM
 
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it says is all here:
Long-term capital gains and qualified dividends

A top rate of 15% applies to qualified dividends and the sale of most appreciated assets held over one year (28% for collectibles and 25% for depreciation recapture) for single filers with taxable income up to $415,050 ($466,950 for married filing jointly). Long-term capital gains or qualified dividend income over that threshold are now taxed at a rate of 20%.
EXAMPLE: If a married couple already has $466,950 of taxable income and an additional $100,000 in long-term capital gains and qualified dividends, the entire $100,000 would be subject to the 20% rate. If, however, they only had $400,000 of taxable income and $100,000 in long-term capital gains and qualified dividends, then $66,950 of the additional amount would be taxed at 15% and $33,050 would be taxed at 20%.


No one sells all their assets in one year. You would pay 15 percent on what you drew, if your income was 75K.
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Old 04-18-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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I don't think either of you are following me - perhaps my fault.

Yes it is all sold in one year.


Is the tax rate based on the OTHER REGULAR income bracket ( not including the capital gains) OR is the capital gains included in determining income bracket?
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Old 04-19-2016, 02:56 AM
 
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i follow you . but your thinking is wrong and way off base . the capital gain income is certainly added in to determine your rate .

picture a bucket and the top of the bucket is 75.300.00 if married or 37650 .00 if single .

all earned income and other income goes in the bucket first. that is everything you get that is taxable other then the long term capital gain . . all that other money starts to fill up the bucket or if it goes over 75,300 if married / 37650 if single it can over flow the bucket . if the bucket is already full or overflows then your capital gain is taxed accordingly .

if the bucket is partially full you now have to add in the long term capital gain income .

if it all fits in the bucket and does not overflow , great you are in the zero capital gains bracket .

but whatever overflows the top of the bucket gets taxed first at 15% then 20% with a likely 3.8% medicare surcharge on top making the top rate almost 24% .


so if all your other income is 40k as a couple then the first 35.300 in capital gains is tax free before the bucket overflows and anything over gets taxed at 15% up until you hit the 20% level ..

so it is the total income added together that determines your rate but you have to fill the bucket in a certain order so you can't figure the capital gain in the bucket first , it must start out with all other income first and then the long term gain gets added in and you pay tax on the overflow .

be aware though that large capital gains can trigger the amt tax all to easy and that imposes a penalty on all your other income other then the capital gain . that tax can be nasty .

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Old 04-19-2016, 04:36 AM
 
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thank you mathjak and others -- well a guy could hope. Guess I will use an IRS 1031 as originally planned and set up.
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Old 04-19-2016, 04:39 AM
 
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keep in mind exchanges will have you paying all depreciation back now .that is whether you took it or not so hopefully you took it . that can be quite a lot of tax regardless of the exchange .

we are currently at some of the overall lowest tax rates in a long time . kicking the can down the road may not be a good idea .

how would you have felt if you could have paid a 15% capital gains tax and exchanged out only to find now it is 20% plus the almost 4% surcharge making it almost 24% ? that did just happen .
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Old 04-19-2016, 11:35 AM
 
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The tax rate applied to Long Term Capital gains is determined by ones OTHER Regular income -not the amount of capital gains.
That is mostly correct. However, if you are in the 15% tax bracket, LTCG are taxed marginally. Only the amount of LTCG that keeps your AGI below the 15% tax bracket threshold will be taxed at 0%. Anything over that is taxed at 15%.

For example:
If I am married filing jointly and I have $50k in ordinary income and $50k in LTCG, then....
My tax bracket is 15% (determined by the $50k of ordinary income)
$23.8k in LTCG is taxed at 0% (since 23.8 + 50 = 73.8, which is the top end of the 15% bracket)
$26.2k in LTCG is taxed at 15%
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