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Old 09-08-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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Rent is never paid off.
Neither are houses.
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Old 09-08-2016, 12:09 PM
 
Location: southwestern PA
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Neither are houses.
Technically they are.
My mortgage is paid in full.
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Old 09-08-2016, 12:17 PM
 
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Neither are houses.
Technically the house itself can be paid for, but you always will have property taxes, insurance, utilities, and maintenance.
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Old 09-08-2016, 12:21 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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The point being raised is a good one. It's folly to ignore the on-going costs of taxes, insurance, maintenance, and HOA fees when calculating the affordability of a property. They can vary dramatically even between houses with the same market value. Generally, though, a good rule of thumb is 1% of the home's value per year for on-going maintenance.

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Old 09-08-2016, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Technically the house itself can be paid for, but you always will have property taxes, insurance, utilities, and maintenance.
Whether you own a house or rent, you still pay for the utilities that you consume.

There is no requirement to carry insurance.
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Old 09-08-2016, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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The point being raised is a good one. It's folly to ignore the on-going costs of taxes, insurance, maintenance, and HOA fees when calculating the affordability of a property. They can vary dramatically even between houses with the same market value. Generally, though, a good rule of thumb is 1% of the home's value per year for on-going maintenance.
Bingo. There's a reason why everyone in the financial world refers to PITI payments, and not just P payments.
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Old 09-08-2016, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Whittier
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Right now our rent is about 17% of our Net, which, in our area is pretty good.

When we buy in a couple of years I'd like to stay around 30-35%. That's including PITI. I'm assuming no PMI, no HOA and around 5% interest (not today's current rates).
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Old 09-08-2016, 01:18 PM
 
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Bingo. There's a reason why everyone in the financial world refers to PITI payments, and not just P payments.
Actually they refer to PITI simply because lenders commonly escrow the taxes and insurance, but not maintenance or repairs or HOA. Otherwise it would be PITIRM-HOA or something like that.
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Old 09-08-2016, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Victory Mansions, Airstrip One
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PITI on my first house was a little over 20% of gross income and that was not too painful, although I was single at the time so no kids' expenses, and there was no HOA.

Today, on a different (bigger) house our recurring costs are about 5% of gross income, again not including maintenace.

I use 2% of the home value, annually, as a long-term average for maintenance and replacements. Obviously it is quite variable. Some years it's less than 1%, but when replacing a big-ticket item like HVAC or roof it can be a few percent.
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Old 09-08-2016, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Garbage, NC
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Our house payment and homeowners insurance are just over 10 percent of our monthly before-tax income. Honestly, this is what I feel most comfortable with. We are going to have our house paid off in less than three years, and I'm not going to be in a hurry to buy another one.
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