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Old 10-14-2018, 04:31 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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Simple answer is stop eating out... :/

Yeh.. blame the market.. its easier than facing the reality.

 
Old 10-14-2018, 04:42 PM
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Location: Texas
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There is also the issue that managers in some restaurants will confront a customer who doesn't leave a 20% tip. And want to know why.

I really think servers should just be paid a regular wage without having to rely on tips. Yes, this will result in slightly higher prices on restaurant food, but it will eliminate other problems.
 
Old 10-14-2018, 04:46 PM
 
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There is also the issue that managers in some restaurants will confront a customer who doesn't leave a 20% tip. And want to know why.

I really think servers should just be paid a regular wage without having to rely on tips. Yes, this will result in slightly higher prices on restaurant food, but it will eliminate other problems.
The tips if any should be included with the food.
 
Old 10-14-2018, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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Are folks like me, who live on Social Security or other fixed income, justified in reducing the level of tipping?

The prices of restaurant meals have gone through the roof, partly to cover higher minimum wage (currently $11.50 in my state, rising to $13.50 in 2020; higher in some cities etc)., but way beyond that, to really outrageous levels — at least where I live.

I used to automatically tip 20%, but now with restaurant prices where they are, I just can’t afford it. I’m lowering my standard tip to 10%.

How about you?
No
I tip on service, nowadays you can easily find out the menu and prices on line so if I go out to a restaurant I don't skimp on the tip because they have to pay someone a liveable wage.

no one is entitled to eating out. now imo whether the tip should be included, etc etc is moot. right now they system we have is to tip after the meal.

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Old 10-14-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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Are folks like me, who live on Social Security or other fixed income, justified in reducing the level of tipping?

The prices of restaurant meals have gone through the roof, partly to cover higher minimum wage (currently $11.50 in my state, rising to $13.50 in 2020; higher in some cities etc)., but way beyond that, to really outrageous levels ó at least where I live.

I used to automatically tip 20%, but now with restaurant prices where they are, I just canít afford it. Iím lowering my standard tip to 10%.

How about you?
I never do 20%. Usually 15% for good service. 10% for average or below average and Iíll even go lower if service is terrible and/or if waitress is rude.

I will do 18% if the service was excellent, drinks are constantly filled and the waitress is super nice and goes above and beyond.

My thought process is the waitress is making 25+ per hour CASH if she has 4 or 5 tables
 
Old 10-14-2018, 05:49 PM
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Location: Texas
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I wonder if people will still dine out when the standard, recommended tip goes up to 25% or higher.
 
Old 10-14-2018, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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If you can't afford to tip that much, don't go to such an expensive restaurant. I don't tip on take out or at places like Jersey Mikes. Otherwise, I generally tip 15%-25% depending on the service.
 
Old 10-14-2018, 05:57 PM
 
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Originally Posted by PriscillaVanilla View Post
There is also the issue that managers in some restaurants will confront a customer who doesn't leave a 20% tip. And want to know why.

I really think servers should just be paid a regular wage without having to rely on tips. Yes, this will result in slightly higher prices on restaurant food, but it will eliminate other problems.
I doubt any manager confronts patrons about the tipping percentage with any regularity if ever
 
Old 10-14-2018, 06:04 PM
 
Location: SC
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15% is a good tip. Where people get this 20-30% as "good" is beyond me - this is exceptional territory and should be reserved for exceptional service. Should tipping percentages rise or fall? IMO, no - not unless and until tipping is done away with entirely. A percentage of the meal will ALWAYS be a percentage and when the price of food rises the amounts of tips rise too.

Don't be bullied or snookered by servers on the internet who post that they want more - they will always want more. If they could get a 20% "standard" they will then want 25% - then 30% and on and on.

Tipping is not the answer - real pay is.

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Old 10-14-2018, 08:59 PM
 
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Are you sure that is true? For decades Food Service Workers have been exempt from Federal Minimum Wage statutes because of the prevalence of tipping.

I don't remember reading anywhere that Food Service Workers are now covered by Minimum Wage or Living Wage laws.
NY has increased minimum wages to $7.50 for waitstaff, $11.75 for fast food workers, and just $10.40 for all others upstate from NYC , where it is higher for minimum wages.

I do draw SSDI, so im fixed income, but until tecentky was also working part time at said $10.40 plus a pittance of a "raise", which was fine as it kept me below the amount that would kick me off SSDI fir working only part time.

If i order a $14 meal and i tip 20% or $2.80, and im tgere tye typical 20-30mins, she has a chance to have another table follow me, and if that person does the same, she'll make $5.60 in tips +7.50 ( her minimum wage) = $13.10/hr. That would be MORE than my $10.40+0.25(10.65).

Why should i enrich the waitperson more than my wages? PLUS im paying $14 for the durn meal, that WAS $10 prior to the minimum wage increase.

So now i tip only 10%. They got a 100% raise in minimum wage (another $3.25) and all i got was a lousy $0.60 when it went up. I also hate the fact that they now pay McDonald's workers more than other minimum wage earners, when they always DID get the regular minimum wage, same as other minimum wage earners.

As someone noted, service has dropped as well. I mean the server comes once, Takes the order, and later drops food off with the tab and leaves. If i need a box, i have to hunt her down, or ask the cashier for one. Thats not service, i can get that kind of service at McDonald's, and i dont have to tip.

Now if service is GREAT, shes personable, and i get the extras i order, she'll get that 20%. But only for great service.

As soneone also noted if one cant afford it , perhaps one should not eat out. I dont. I only eat out on rare occasions.

I dont feel sorry in NY fior the servers.

My FIL doesnt believe in tipping at all. If fact he wrote a nasty letter to the editor of our paper about how servers should find a different line of work if they think they should be paid more than they are without a tip. The paper actually published it!!!

I agree tipping should be done away with, but then wed get really poor service, and that $14 meal would become a $20 meal. A $6 increase just to cover paying another $2.90 in wages.

I had a GF who worked as a waitress in the restaurant i worked at as a cook. Because she had a habit of spending what she got. So when she wanted to save money, shed give it to me hold in my safe. She raked in $1k a week. I made just $500.

So wait staff make out fairly well. The hype anout low pay is just that...hype to get you to give up more of your hard earned money.

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