Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Couldn't it just as easily be said that if you can't go anywhere without a dog YOU should stay home?
and THAT is exctly the point, that's an argument I hear ALL the time...
"well im allergic to dogs, if you need your dog that much YOU should stay home"
so the retraction si if your are THAT allergic to dogs that being in the same room as my service dog is an issue...then the DANDER on every pet owners clothes that comes to the register or brushes past you would alos be an issue and it would be SAFER for you...the "severly allergic to dogs" person to just STAY HOME...
the point being theres going to always be the "but my rights are more important than your rights" argument...
and many of them are STUPID...we are all equals, my service dog is NOT bothering you by her own means, YOU are bothered by her...then that's YOUR problem, if shes doing her job and acting in an appropriate mannor then ignor her..
If your only excuse to not allowing dogs (service or otherwise) is "allergies" and "phobias" then mabe out in public is not a good place for you, allergens exist everywhere, on peoples clothing on their skin, phobas don't just go away because your outdoors, would seing a dog in the park make you drop dead form your "deadly afraid" response? walking down the street? oh youd just cross th street? ooooo ok, so why cant you just not walk down the isle im in with my dog then? well be gone in a few seconds, please feel free to avoid us.
again MY dog is a working service dog...
I have 2 other dogs who ONLY accompany me to dog friendly places (and only occasionally as neithr are big fans of random stranger interaction)
for me that seems general courtesy for them and the other pople...I don't need them to be there and they don't want to be thre, why put them in that situation...
HOWEVER I hear all these excuses as a service dog handler myself...and so far the ONLY legitimate reason ive heard is form those who admit that they don't like dogs in public places because many of these dogs are not well socialized, trained ect...
if you don't like dogs in ublic places that's fine...
and if theres a sign on a store that ses service dogs only, then that means service dogs only,
but for heavens sake people on BOTH sides need to get over themselves and respect the other side...
YOU CANNOT ban dogs (service or otherwise) form public places without a REAL reason (health and safety as in food places or hospitals fine...but "I don't like dogs in here" is nto a legitimate reason....
and on he other side, all those who feel its "ok to take your pooches places they clearly should not be...GET OVER YOURSELF! if your dog is not a working service dog he does not need to be carried into dunkin dougnuts (where if the helath inspector ound out they were allowing a none service dog they could be fined and even shut down for health code violations)
there are REASONS these laws exist, and we are not above or outside of them because we feel the law is silly...petition to change it or follow it...simple.
My sister's YorkiePoo is a "service dog". I'm not sure what she had to do to get it designated, but it gets to fly in her lap, maybe for free? She has cancer, and taking care of the dog, including walking it, forces her to move more. Maybe a therapy dog is more accurate.
Anyway, she doesn't take it places. She leaves it at home when she goes out.
LOL, I bet unless you look in that stroller to see the cute baby, you might not even know there was a dog in there. Especially if they have zip up screens around the strollers to keep Mopsy from jumping out and taking off suddenly
That happened to me one time in a store. Here comes a large number family surrounding the proud grandpa (I guessed), as he very proudly wheeled a stroller around. The stroller was decorated with all kinds of ribbons, lace, bows and other froo-froo I would associate with a new baby, and it had a fancy netting covering the front of the stroller. The family members were all dressed up too, and I had passing thoughts that maybe the baby had just been baptised something like that.
It looked like a happy occasion for them, and as I went by them I took a peak into the stroller to see if I could see the new baby and congratulate the proud family on their new arrival
What I saw when I looked in that stroller was a little guy that looked like a bulldog of some kind, with his lower jaw and teeth jutting out he looked a little bit fierce to me. This was just his look but it startled and surprised me so much since I was expecting a human baby. With this and what seemed to me the contrast between the frilly stroller, and the fuss made by this family and the fierce looking little guy in the stroller, I started laughing uncontrollably and couldn't stop. Still laughing, I told the family "their baby was beautiful", wished him the best and left. I'm not sure they understood me from the bewildered looks on their faces- they were all speaking Spanish and I was too embarrassed to try and explain where I was coming from. And part of my confusion was that I had never seen a dog in a stroller before, and had no idea that people did this.
How cute! I saw a woman holding something small last night and my pace quickened thinking she had an adorable little dog, but, it was not to be I was deeply disappointed when I saw she had a funny looking baby in her arms....blahhhhhh
I don't know, but, I suppose for allergic people I should stay home dog or no dog because I always have some sort of cat or dog fur on me. Highly allergic people beware of me! Should we wear a sign like the scarlet letter around our necks??? What is with people being allergic to everything these days?
but for heavens sake people on BOTH sides need to get over themselves and respect the other side...
YOU CANNOT ban dogs (service or otherwise) form public places without a REAL reason (health and safety as in food places or hospitals fine...but "I don't like dogs in here" is nto a legitimate reason....
and on he other side, all those who feel its "ok to take your pooches places they clearly should not be...GET OVER YOURSELF! if your dog is not a working service dog he does not need to be carried into dunkin dougnuts (where if the helath inspector ound out they were allowing a none service dog they could be fined and even shut down for health code violations)
there are REASONS these laws exist, and we are not above or outside of them because we feel the law is silly...petition to change it or follow it...simple.
Actually, if it's not a service animal, I'm not sure of anything that requires a "real reason" (whatever that is) for not allowing animals in any public place.
The hardware store that I mentioned earlier could not allow any animals but service ones for any reason they so desire-- up to and including "we don't like dogs in here".
My sister's YorkiePoo is a "service dog". I'm not sure what she had to do to get it designated, but it gets to fly in her lap, maybe for free? She has cancer, and taking care of the dog, including walking it, forces her to move more. Maybe a therapy dog is more accurate.
Anyway, she doesn't take it places. She leaves it at home when she goes out.
Your sister's dog is not a service dog. She just pretends to be one when it's convenient. Buying a vest or a tag does not make it a service dog. She is not a therapy dog, either, by your description.
The "rules" are not uniform across the country. Many states prohibit dogs from places where food is served or prepared, but some do not. Certainly dogs are not barred from other retail establishments by law but only by company or owner policy. Some large stores, like Tractor Supply, Home Depot, and Lowe's, allow non-service dogs. Some municipalities, especially in resort areas, allow dogs in outdoor seating areas of restaurants. Many smaller stores and shops not only allow dogs but have their own resident pups ... and occasionally kitties. Numerous hotel and motel chains have gone "pet friendly" in the last several years.
People bring their dogs with them for the same reason that they bring their kids with them; they didn't them home.
Actually, the corporate policy IS uniform across the country. Lowe's, Home Depot, WalMart & Publix ALL currently have corporate policies prohibiting any animals in their stores unless they are service dogs. This policy is clearly posted on the front door of every single one of these businesses I have ever seen. Granted, I haven't seen every single front door of every one of these buildings across the entire country, but that does not change the corporation's policy covering all their stores. (And I am fairly certain the front doors of these businesses are all exactly the same.) You can pretend you don't see it if you want to use that excuse. Pets, even well-behaved ones, are NOT allowed in these stores. Service Animals Only. Now the fact that you can walk into HD any day of the week and see dogs in baby strollers, tucked under arms, wearing fake vests, riding in shopping carts or even running loose, does not change the fact that they are NOT allowed in store by their corporation. When you see them in there, it does not mean that the store allows it. It means there is a failure of the management/employees of THAT store to enforce their own corporate policy. Corporate policies have changed during the past few years. If you don't like the fact that there are pets in the store, you should absolutely call the corporate headquarters of that store and report what you witnessed. Note the date and time. Take a photo as proof. You can call or speak with the Manager of the individual store itself, and they will thank you for reporting it to them and tell you it's absolutely not allowed and that they will fix it immediately. But they can and always do look the other way. Yours is not the first complaint they have received about this. But you should always follow up with a call to the corporate office. They will most likely ask you if you reported it to the store manager and you can say you did, so ignorance cannot be their excuse. Do it every single time. You are not alone in your complaints. Trust me, eventually they will do something about it.
Now, as for real service dogs. Federal law gives access rights to disabled handlers and their service dogs. Buying a vest or tag online doesn't make your dog a service dog. If you are not disabled and your dog has not been individually trained for tasks that mitigate your disability, it is not a service dog. Being stupid/lazy is not a disability. Passing your dog off as a service animal makes you a fake and a POS. There are absolutely ways to tell. And while it's true that most retail establishments don't want to make waves or risk alienating customers who have fake service "decorations", the fact is that once again, it is up to the management of these stores to enforce the laws. I find that these Managers tell the disabled person with the legitimate service dog that they are most welcome in their store anytime and anyone who doesn't like it can come see him. Then when some customer complains that there's a dog in the store, the Manager tells him/her, "Yes, we hate it too but it's federal law that we have to let them in without saying anything." They play both sides of the fence to avoid alienating customers ($$). That is their sole priority. So for legitimate service dog working teams that are offended by the fakers in the store, I urge you to tell the manager that YOU will take your business elsewhere if a better job is not done to police the frauds. Speak with your wallet. That is the language they understand. And be sure to let corporate HQ know your feelings.
I remember not so long ago witnessing all of these major stores not allowing ANY dog inside, including the blind with guide dogs. They also piled crap in the aisles so wheelchairs couldn't pass, and they could alienate disabled people with walkers, medical devices, etc.. They could also run off kids with loud music playing the parking lot. Times have changed for the good and bad. In recent years, I have seen at separate times adults bring into a major grocery store a guinea pig and an opossum. They said since the animals were small and "asleep", they weren't bothering anyone. I do actually know the Manager of Publix who escorted the opossum woman and a Chihuahua owner out of the store. I saw a girl on an Amtrak train claim her hamster was a service animal. When questioned, the hamster got loose on the train and was never found. The young lady was put off at the next stop. As for requiring documentation, lowlifes will always find a way to fake the documentation needed like they fake their service dog credentials. They have zero problem lying to anyone. No different than issuing handicap placards that are promptly handed around like candy and used by people's grandchildren and other non-disabled lazy fakers. Cheaters never quit cheating. That is their mindset. Lowlifes will never respect other people because they don't respect themselves.
The retail stores want the government to tell them exactly who they can kick out so they won't get sued and the government thinks the stores need to make and enforce their own policies. If you wait for these two to work it out, you will be waiting a long, long time. If you want something changed, you are going to have to: 1) educate yourself better than the fakers have (i.e., get your information from factual sources and not internet posts; and 2) speak with your wallet. Stores will listen.
As for requiring documentation, lowlifes will always find a way to fake the documentation needed like they fake their service dog credentials.
THIS THIS ABSOLUTLY THIS...
people are all on about "legal ids" "make it harder" "why not require some kind of licensing" ect...
but the reality is...
these additional reuirments only truly make it harderfr the elgitimatily disabled who NEED the dog...
the fakers have no problem getting aound the rules with fake copies, paying off drs ect...
In the mean time those with legitimate need cant afford the fees, or get to wherever they need to go to get these additional tags/whatever your proposing would be required ect...
places like these "service dog registries" where anyone can buy their way into the registry and get an "ID" are illegal, but cracking down on them costs money, time and energy..that people AND stores knowing the rules can prevent in a heart beat at no cost to anyone.
Why are People So Pissed Off People Taking Dogs Into Public Places
I had to take my small dog into a grocery store, so she wouldn't cook to death in the car. You people are ridiculous. I had to run into a grocery store with my well-behaved dog in the basket of the cart. She sits on a large quilted pad which covers the bottom of the basket. By the way, she is a service dog but we had a distaster at our home and we got out with Gidget (my dog) and little else, but it was none of this obnoxious checker's business.
I hurried and was in there for 15 minutes. He checked out my 6 items while yelling at me that dogs aren't allowed in the store and that customers think they are disgusting to have around food. That was a new one on me; I pointed out she was sitting on a pad, he was a real crank. I tried to explain she was a service dog, but he was so mean I wasn't going to go into the whole story about having to be in a hotel, and not being able to grab her credentials.
I did ask if he was the boss and he said no, "do you want to speak with him." I said no. I was just thinking, he must be the boss because he was such an ******* and I could tell everyone hated him. I almost said, "Jeez, I know you're a very unhappy person, please don't go home and beat your wife and kick the dog."
Having a screaming baby in a poopy diaper is more digusting around food than a dog, I mean, COME ON!
I had to take my small dog into a grocery store, so she wouldn't cook to death in the car. You people are ridiculous. I had to run into a grocery store with my well-behaved dog in the basket of the cart. She sits on a large quilted pad which covers the bottom of the basket. By the way, she is a service dog but we had a distaster at our home and we got out with Gidget (my dog) and little else, but it was none of this obnoxious checker's business.
I hurried and was in there for 15 minutes. He checked out my 6 items while yelling at me that dogs aren't allowed in the store and that customers think they are disgusting to have around food. That was a new one on me; I pointed out she was sitting on a pad, he was a real crank. I tried to explain she was a service dog, but he was so mean I wasn't going to go into the whole story about having to be in a hotel, and not being able to grab her credentials.
I did ask if he was the boss and he said no, "do you want to speak with him." I said no. I was just thinking, he must be the boss because he was such an ******* and I could tell everyone hated him. I almost said, "Jeez, I know you're a very unhappy person, please don't go home and beat your wife and kick the dog."
Having a screaming baby in a poopy diaper is more digusting around food than a dog, I mean, COME ON!
If your dog is a legitimate service dog than you should be allowed to take it wherever the law allows.
But I have to say......
Your entire post is filled with "I" and "my" and "me".......
When you are out in public you need to show respect for other people......
It is completely reasonable for people to react negatively to seeing A DOG IN A GROCERY STORE....
It doesn't matter that you were only going to be a few minutes......
It doesn't matter that the dog sits on a pillow.....
It doesn't matter that the dog is small......
It doesn't matter that you are staying in a motel and don't have the credentials....
When you are at home, it's all about you.....when you are out in public, it's NOT about you anymore..
at least to a lesser extent.
"But Officer....I was only going 110mph for a couple minutes to get my service dog home for a nap.....I wasn't bothering anyone.......me me me me me me me me me me "
Unfortunately....screaming, stinky, bratty babies and kids bother the hell out of me too.....
But they are HUMAN....and such there is a reasonable expectation to encounter them in a grocery store...
The general public are not guests in your world.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Why are People So Pissed Off People Taking Dogs Into Public Places
