In your opinion Center City is... (Philadelphia, Washington: neighborhoods, living, prices)

[schmapty]

I contend that Center City has expanded to cover Washington to Girard (river to river of course). The old Pine to Vine definition is outdated and silly.
What do you think?

[Marius Pontmercy]

Pine and Vine? Wasn't it South and Vine? Am I really that young?

I've heard South and Spring Garden, but Washington and Girard... thats a stretch. Center City is unique in the style of architecture, density, and the mixture of uses (which is unique to CC, most Philly neighborhoods are mixed use anyway) present. Once you move beyond Spring Garden you lose those characteristics as the neighborhoods become primarily residential, the same can be said south of South St. Essentially what I'm saying is the character of the neighborhood is different, and it has nothing to do with the new level of development or housing/land prices which I'm assuming you might have been thinking of? I don't want to jump to conclusions though, what was your reasoning?

[newmarlig]

I would agree with Spring Garden to South as the very outer borders. Defintely not Girard.

[kidphilly]

See to me these days QV and BV or the Art Museum and even NO Libs seem part of the broader CC district

[Marius Pontmercy]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

See to me these days QV and BV or the Art Museum and even NO Libs seem part of the broader CC district

I would agree with you on the Art Museum, but not QV and BV. The area directly around the Art Museum and off the parkway is typical of the cultural center that exists along the parkway into downtown, and since Spring Garden and Fairmount head southwest to the west of Broad St it keeps them about even with that CC rectangle. QV and BV are vibrant neighborhoods, but just since a neighborhood has done well recently doesn't mean it has to become an extension of CC.

[john_starks]

unofficially it already is

Center City District / Central Philadelphia Development Corporation Of Philadelphia

lets face it, without broadening the boundaries, there is no way the downtown can claim 90,000+ residents.

[danwxman]

I agree with Spring Garden to South, possibly these days down to Washington Avenue. Girard is a completely different feel, however.

[lititzman2003]

I'd consider it to be river to river and South Street to Race Street.

[schmapty]

Fair enough. Girard may be pushing it but not by much. How about Washington to Fairmount?
Fairmount ave is vibrant in Northern Liberties and Broad to the Parkway.

[pman]

moving boundaries to assuage egos is silly. center city is simply a new name for the old boundaries of Philadelphia (pre-consolidation). the boundaries don't change. south of south is still south philly, it'a geographic area. north of vine is still north hilly. fairmount is in north philly. north philly is a geographic area. northern liberties is in north philly. the ccd is basically a marketing arm, and marketing people always stretch the truth.