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Old 04-06-2011, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Athens, GA (via Pittsburgh, PA)
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Arrow Philadelphia neighborhoods: mapping the good and bad sections of town

So I seem to have gotten Chicago figured out for the most part simply based on stuff I've read on their message boards. Now it's time to figure out Philadelphia. Here's what I gather...

NEIGHBORHOODS
Center City Philadelphia
Income: Very high
Diversity: Moderate (white, Asian)
Density: Very high
Crime: Low to moderate
Investment: Very high

NOTES: Only New York and Chicago have more established downtowns among all major U.S. cities, and only Boston and San Francisco are comparable. The boom will continue.
North Philadelphia
Income: Low
Diversity: High (black, Hispanic, Asian)
Density: Moderate to high
Crime: High
Investment: Low to moderate

NOTES: Crime increases and investment decreases from south to north. High amounts of racial tension. Potential exists, but high crime makes the future uncertain.
Northwest Philadelphia
Income: High to very high
Diversity: Low (white)
Density: Moderate
Crime: Low
Investment: Low

NOTES: Contains some of the best and most stable neighborhoods found in any U.S. city. Low levels of investment are because this section of the city never fell into decay.
West Philadelphia
Income: Low
Diversity: Low to moderate (black)
Density: Moderate to high
Crime: High
Investment: Moderate

NOTES: Proximity to colleges and universities gives it some degree of diversity and investment that might not exist otherwise. Generally blighted, but high potential exists due to its location along major thoroughfares.
Southwest Philadelphia
Income: Very low
Diversity: Low (black)
Density: Low to moderate
Crime: Very high
Investment: Very low

NOTES: A post-industrial ghetto wasteland in terminal decline. Contains most of the city's "undesirable" infrastructure components (i.e. airport, sea port, sewage plant). This section of the city might have to die before coming back.
South Philadelphia
Income: Moderate
Diversity: Very high (white, Black, Hispanic, Asian)
Density: High
Crime: Moderate
Investment: High

NOTES: The most diverse section of the city with the most ambiance outside of Center City. The diversity lends itself to steady investment. "Quintessential Philadelphia" can be found here.
Near Northeast Philadelphia
Income: Moderate
Diversity: Moderate (white, Hispanic, Asian)
Density: High
Crime: Moderate
Investment: Very high

NOTES: The most rapidly gentrifying section of the city with the most investment outside of Center City. Investment levels vary from block to block, with income levels being directly proportional, and crime rates being inversely proportional.
Far Northeast Philadelphia
Income: Moderate
Diversity: Low to moderate (white)
Density: Moderate
Crime: Low to moderate
Investment: Low to moderate

NOTES: Seemingly an island unto itself, due to its distance from Center City, its isolation from other sections of the city, its relative lack of ambiance, and its predominantly white, middle-class population. "Old School Philadelphia" can be found here.
RANKINGS
Income
1. Center City
2. Northwest
3. South
4. Near Northeast
5. Far Northeast
6. West
7. North
8. Southwest
Diversity
1. South
2. North
3. Near Northeast
4. Center City
5. West
6. Far Northeast
7. Northwest
8. Southwest
Density
1. Center City
2. South
3. Near Northeast
4. West
5. Far Northeast
6. North
7. Northwest
8. Southwest
Crime
1. Southwest
2. North
3. West
4. South
5. Near Northeast
6. Center City
7. Far Northeast
8. Northwest
Investment
1. Center City
2. Near Northeast
3. South
4. North
5. West
6. Far Northeast
7. Northwest
8. Southwest
These are just my guesses based on what I've read on here. Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of these.
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Old 04-06-2011, 08:45 AM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I think the above post is overly generalized and practically worthless. Philadelphia is a city of neighborhoods and it is place where one area can be charming, safe, desirable, and even pricey to live in and you can stroll three blocks away and yourself in a blighted high crime area.

I live in West Philly, in a district called University City. The generalizations do not apply. In one neighborhood here in University City - Garden Court - the homes start about $600,000 and can go for over $1.25 million. In my neighborhood - a lovely Victorian registered historic district - homes start at about $350,000 but can fetch as much as $750,000. What does that say about "West Philadelphia"???

Since when is South Philly "the most diverse" part of the city? Who says this, and what do they base this statement on?

Northwest Philadelphia has several "rough" and high crime areas as well.

Some of the worst drug infested blocks in Philadelphia are in the far Northeast; yet other neighborhoods are solidly middle class and suburban.

Bottom line: an over generalization and a lot of BS.
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Old 04-06-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Overall, pretty good assessment although of course there are anomolies in every section of the city. Philadelphia is a "city of neighborhoods" and it is very hard to define entire areas as there are literally hundreds of smaller neighborhoods each with their own identity.

One thing I would change is Northwest Philadelphia. The area is very diverse (both racially and economically) and in fact contains what is widely considered the first successfully integrated neighborhood in the country in Mount Airy.
Mount Airy, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, West Philadelphia really has changed a lot over the past few years. More and more of it is becoming gentrified and I would say everything East of 48th St is fairly high income. Don't forget University City is technically in WP and there is A TON of investment going on there right now.

Many would say that Near Northeast Philly is in decline and there is not really much investment going on there right now. But it is quickly becoming a haven for many different immigrant groups and hopefully that trend will continue.

My investment rankings would look like this:
1. Center City
2. West Philly (including UC)
3. South Philly
4. Near North Philly (Fairmount, Art Museum, Northern Liberties, Fishtown, Brewerytown)
5. Northwest Philly
6. Near Northeast
7. Far Northeast
6. North Philly
7. Southwest Philly
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:01 AM
 
Location: The City
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The wealthiest areas of the city are actually mostly out toward Chestnut Hill

I agree on the posts above in that these areas are too broad - there can be extreme disparity from neighborhood to neighborhood
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:27 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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change near NE to mostly black and Hispanic and few whites and income low.
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Southwest Philadelphia does have some very poor and very rough neighborhoods but it shouldn't be written off as "A post-industrial ghetto wasteland in terminal decline". African immigration is huge in this part of the city and the infrastructure is definitely there. It is also more diverse than given credit for.

From Wikipedia:
More than 80,000 people live in Southwest Philadelphia. It is approximately 36% white and 60% black.[5]
Philadelphia's African immigrant population is most concentrated in Southwest Philadelphia, as of 2008.

Bartram's Garden - 18th Century Home of John Bartram Naturalist & Botanist & Explorer
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Old 04-06-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Since when is South Philly "the most diverse" part of the city? Who says this, and what do they base this statement on?
I dunno, I think I'd have no problem with that statement in 2011.
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Old 04-06-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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One small thing i'd like to mention is that the near northeast is really Juniata, Mayfair, Oxford Circle, and Frankford. Many of these areas are on the decline, particularly Frankford. This is in contrast with the "river wards" of Fishtown, Port Richmond, parts of "Kensington" and Bridesburg. These areas are seeing a distinct increase in investment and Fishtown in particular has been a popular destination for post-grad young couples. Port Richmond is seeing more and more of this, and Bridesburg is kind of its own entity.

Therefore when people think of the "near northeast" I think most of the time they link that with a rapidly deflating middle class and an increase in non-white populations. This seems to be at the core of good old frankgn87 and how he will comment at how terrible the near northeast is becoming.
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Old 04-06-2011, 01:43 PM
 
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change near NE to mostly black and Hispanic and few whites and income low.

There goes Frankgn - way off base again in futile pursuit of some self-fulfilling propecy as a former city resident. We are truly a city of neighborhoods - each with a unique history and story to tell. Many areas of the Near NE are still very stable, and some are getting better. Your assessment was generally on target although I agree with others that NW Philly is more diverse than you stated.
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista
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I think the above post is overly generalized and practically worthless. Philadelphia is a city of neighborhoods and it is place where one area can be charming, safe, desirable, and even pricey to live in and you can stroll three blocks away and yourself in a blighted high crime area.

I live in West Philly, in a district called University City. The generalizations do not apply. In one neighborhood here in University City - Garden Court - the homes start about $600,000 and can go for over $1.25 million. In my neighborhood - a lovely Victorian registered historic district - homes start at about $350,000 but can fetch as much as $750,000. What does that say about "West Philadelphia"???

Since when is South Philly "the most diverse" part of the city? Who says this, and what do they base this statement on?

Northwest Philadelphia has several "rough" and high crime areas as well.

Some of the worst drug infested blocks in Philadelphia are in the far Northeast; yet other neighborhoods are solidly middle class and suburban.

Bottom line: an over generalization and a lot of BS.
i don't think it's necessarily bs. if you split philly into only 8 sections i'd say this is fairly accurate.

but as you said it's practically useless as philadelphia breaks down into far more than 8 distinct neighborhoods. grouping them together means that while these generalizations may apply to the vast area, they're likely wrong in each individual section to a degree.

practically speaking this tells you absolutely nothing useful about philadelphia.

also south philly is likely the most diverse part of philly if going by these huge chunks. but if you break it down into actual neighborhoods you'll find a bunch of undiverse neighborhoods.
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