Philadelphia 2035 (York, Franklin, Williamsburg: ticket, commuter, build)

[Toure]

Originally Posted by drive carephilly

I think there's a huge untapped market for ferries - but for commuters - not for tourists. I'll start a different thread on that though.

I agree, just like in New York you can take a ferry from Manhattan to Brooklyn. We should be able to go from Philadelphia to Camden(Even though I hate Camden).

[Marius Pontmercy]

Originally Posted by Toure

I agree, just like in New York you can take a ferry from Manhattan to Brooklyn. We should be able to go from Philadelphia to Camden(Even though I hate Camden).

Why would you take a ferry from Philly to NJ? There are several bridges and a rail link (PATCO). In fact, the bridges and bridge line were what put the ferries out of business in the 1930s. New York only manages to keep theirs because of huge cross-river traffic that can't be handled by inadequate infrastructure: the river tunnels and bridges are at capacity, Philly's are not.

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by Marius Pontmercy

Why would you take a ferry from Philly to NJ? There are several bridges and a rail link (PATCO). In fact, the bridges and bridge line were what put the ferries out of business in the 1930s. New York only manages to keep theirs because of huge cross-river traffic that can't be handled by inadequate infrastructure: the river tunnels and bridges are at capacity, Philly's are not.

Agreed 100 percent

[BTA88]

Wasn't there a Ferry between Penn's Landing and the Aquarium that like just shut down a couple years ago?

[drive carephilly]

Originally Posted by Marius Pontmercy

Why would you take a ferry from Philly to NJ? There are several bridges and a rail link (PATCO). In fact, the bridges and bridge line were what put the ferries out of business in the 1930s. New York only manages to keep theirs because of huge cross-river traffic that can't be handled by inadequate infrastructure: the river tunnels and bridges are at capacity, Philly's are not.

That's not it at all. The ferries exist in NYC because they're a huge time savings over the alternatives . . . because they travel between points where rail or subway service is either non-existent or circuitous.

I used to commute from Allenhurst, NJ to Pier 11/Wall St. I drove 20 minutes to the ferry in Highlands then the ride was 35 minutes across the bay and dropped me off a block from my office. My alternative was a 5 minute walk to the train, an hour ride to Newark, transfer to the sardine can known as the PATH for a 30 minute ride, then a 10 minute walk to my office. No thanks.

It's also not about taking a ferry from Philly to Camden to see a concert. It's about taking a ferry from NJ to Philly to get to work. There are plenty of places - especially on the NJ side - that are nowhere near PATCO and where people who want to get into the city have to drive out of their way to get to a PATCO station. The alternative is bridge traffic, a toll, then more traffic in the city, then paying for parking.

PATCO is a gem in the Greater Philadelphia rail network. It's great if your destination is within 4 or 5 blocks of one of the stations. If you work west of 19th St., as many people do, PATCO is not convenient. Transferring to SEPTA gets expensive and time consuming when you have to do it everyday.

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by drive carephilly

That's not it at all. The ferries exist in NYC because they're a huge time savings over the alternatives . . . because they travel between points where rail or subway service is either non-existent or circuitous.

I used to commute from Highlands, NJ to Pier 11/Wall St. I drove 20 minutes to the ferry then the ride was 35 minutes across the bay and dropped me off a block from my office. My alternative was a 5 minute walk to the train, an hour ride to Newark, transfer to the sardine can knowns as the PATH for a 30 minute ride, then a 10 minute walk to my office. No thanks.

It's also not about taking a ferry from Philly to Camden to see a concert. It's about taking a ferry from NJ to Philly to get to work. There are plenty of places - especially on the NJ side - that are nowhere near PATCO and where people who want to get into the city have to drive out of their way to get to a PATCO station. The alternative is bridge traffic, a toll, then more traffic in the city, then paying for parking.

PATCO is a gem in the Greater Philadelphia rail network. It's great if your destination is within 4 or 5 blocks of one of the stations. If you work west of 19th St., as many people do, PATCO is not convenient. Transferring to SEPTA gets expensive and time consuming when you have to do it everyday.

But what is the connection on the Philly side. Its not like there are job centers where a ferry would drop off and would still require some form of transfer and likely more time. Just dont see it or the demand frankly

[drive carephilly]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

But what is the connection on the Philly side. Its not like there are job centers where a ferry would drop off and would still require some form of transfer and likely more time. Just dont see it or the demand frankly

I'll start a new thread taking off from here . . .

[RightonWalnut]

Originally thought to have been only 100 feet, the developers added more apartments to the project raising the floor height to 130 feet.

Quote:
Developer Ensemble Real Estate has amended its original plan for Marina View Towers - a residential project at 230 N. Columbus Avenue, near the Benjamin Franklin Bridge – by adding more units, increasing the ground-floor retail space and slightly reducing the amount of parking.There have also been some small massing and color changes to the facade of the building, but the footprint remains the same, as does the height of 130 feet at the tallest point.

The number of apartments has grown from 180 to 296. Ensemble is adding more studio apartments based on market research


Final Render


Article from PlanPhilly
http://planphilly.com/news/notebook/...an-development

[soug]

Just FYI, there is a seasonal ferry between Penn's Landing and the Camden waterfront.

RiverLink Ferry System | Delaware River Ferry | Freedom Ferry

[RightonWalnut]

735 S Columbus has been Approved

http://planphilly.com/public-path-ri...iers-34-and-35

205 Race has been Approved by the Planning Commission but still has to go infront of the ZBA for zoning relief

http://planphilly.com/planning-commi...-race-proposal