Should Septa build a Northeast subway line (Philadelphia, Erie: taxes, cost of)

[JacksonPanther]

Originally Posted by mancat100

The region as a whole is very well-served by train service. The regional rail is annoying, though. It's such a ridiculous production with the conductors checking everything and constantly walking up and down the aisles, calling the stops, opening and closing the doors, etc. Also, it's absolutely painful as the trains inch into 30th Street from the west and north. I wish they'd reconfigure it into a rapid transit paradigm instead of an 1890's railroad paradigm. Honestly, I really just want to get where I'm going, not deal with a stage production.

You're asking a regional rail system to operate as a subway - ain't gonna happen. Using the regional rail as a crutch because Philly has no subway's, is the real problem.

[Darbarian]

Originally Posted by JacksonPanther

You're asking a regional rail system to operate as a subway - ain't gonna happen. Using the regional rail as a crutch because Philly has no subway's, is the real problem.

Commuter Rail is used as Rapid Transit in Europe and Asia, what makes Philadelphia any different? Why builld reduntant lines to cannibalize the current ridership, which may or may not go up?

Manayunk, Mt. Airy, Germantown, Chestnut Hill would be better served with more frequent and later off peak service on those lines. If that happend, the bus lines could be re-routed to profide feeder services to those stations increasing ridership.

[gwillyfromphilly]

Originally Posted by TVandSportsGuy

A subway serves the CITY not the suburbs so it wouldn't make sense to have a subway in Chestnut Hill and Mt. Airy. Suburban Trains already go to those areas. And I rather catch the suburban train anyway because it's far too many UNDESIRABLES on the subway.

Staten Island is New York City's most suburban county and they seem to be doing just fine with a subway system.

[Darbarian]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Staten Island is New York City's most suburban county and they seem to be doing just fine with a subway system.

Actually, Subway means the tunnels that the tracks are laid and the trains run through. the Staten Island Railway is a Rapid Transit system.

[gwillyfromphilly]

Originally Posted by SirGreenDown

Yes, as a Far Northeast resident (Bustleton) YES! That's the one thing I wasn't too happy about when I moved here. 2 subway lines? Really?

Technecally it's 3 subway lines if you include the Patco.

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by Darbarian

Commuter Rail is used as Rapid Transit in Europe and Asia, what makes Philadelphia any different? Why builld reduntant lines to cannibalize the current ridership, which may or may not go up?

Manayunk, Mt. Airy, Germantown, Chestnut Hill would be better served with more frequent and later off peak service on those lines. If that happend, the bus lines could be re-routed to profide feeder services to those stations increasing ridership.

Philly actually modeled its system after Paris , Berlin , and Sydney Regional Rail system or S-BAHN. The S-BAHN systems need to be expanded and connect to other cities , they generally service one or 2 Job hubs in each city and then leave that city. Most of Philly would better be served with a Subway under the busy boulevards or Dense corridors , and trolleys along bus corridors and to connect isolated or overloaded areas which is done in Paris , Berlin , and Sydney... Paris just started there LRT system after overloading there regional Rail network , which is what your proposing , Sydney's system is 110% over capacity , they use there system as a subway through the core and commuter outside the CBD , its backfired.

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by Darbarian

Actually, Subway means the tunnels that the tracks are laid and the trains run through. the Staten Island Railway is a Rapid Transit system.

Its a Railroad like the PATH & PATCO it uses subway cars for now , but might be converted to LRT and adsorbed into NJT's LRT network.

[JacksonPanther]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

Philly actually modeled its system after Paris

You almost made me spit my soda all over my monitor!

The theory in Paris is that wherever you are in the city you are no more than 100 meters from a subway stop. Philly is no where close to that.
Google or Wikipedia the Paris Metro, and count how many lines they have. And that does not include their regional rail (SNCF, RAR).

We can make all the excuses we want to, and try to substitute regional rail for metro subway service. But that is all it will be - an excuse.

Chicago managed to build a completely new subway line (Orange line) in the 1990s. Downtown to Midway airport, combination of existing railroad right of way (mostly), and new right of way construction. "King" Daley managed to get it done, without people complaining that it would bring a bunch of "undesirables" to the airport... What is Philly's problem?

[FBJ]

Originally Posted by JacksonPanther

You almost made me spit my soda all over my monitor!

The theory in Paris is that wherever you are in the city you are no more than 100 meters from a subway stop. Philly is no where close to that.
Google or Wikipedia the Paris Metro, and count how many lines they have. And that does not include their regional rail (SNCF, RAR).

We can make all the excuses we want to, and try to substitute regional rail for metro subway service. But that is all it will be - an excuse.

Chicago managed to build a completely new subway line (Orange line) in the 1990s. Downtown to Midway airport, combination of existing railroad right of way (mostly), and new right of way construction. "King" Daley managed to get it done, without people complaining that it would bring a bunch of "undesirables" to the airport... What is Philly's problem?

no one wants to see a bunch of undesirables period.

[SirGreenDown]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Technecally it's 3 subway lines if you include the Patco.

Haha yes 3