Should Septa build a Northeast subway line (Philadelphia: cost, shop)
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Philly actually modeled its system after Paris , Berlin , and Sydney Regional Rail system or S-BAHN. The S-BAHN systems need to be expanded and connect to other cities , they generally service one or 2 Job hubs in each city and then leave that city. Most of Philly would better be served with a Subway under the busy boulevards or Dense corridors , and trolleys along bus corridors and to connect isolated or overloaded areas which is done in Paris , Berlin , and Sydney... Paris just started there LRT system after overloading there regional Rail network , which is what your proposing , Sydney's system is 110% over capacity , they use there system as a subway through the core and commuter outside the CBD , its backfired.
Of course Paris would overload their system, there's 10 million people in the city proper. Sydney clocks in at 4.5 million. Thats just a bit more than the scant 1.5m in Philadelphia. I would expect overcrowding in cities of that size, but outside of Rush Hour, the regional rail cars aren't exactly overflowing. The Center City Communter tunnel isn't even running at capacity so there is room for improvement in regards to Regional Rail service in the short term until those subway lines are built.
I don't even think we should be looking at European systems to emulate. I always come back to the Japanese when it comes to running public transportation systems. With major commuter rail also providing addtional service through the subways. They have a seamless mix of commuter and rapid transit rail in their major population centers. I spent 4 and a half years there and I'm still amazed at how efficiently their operations are ran.
n the 1980s, the Northeast developed along a separate path from much of the rest of the city. In addition to the racial differences mentioned above, the political climate in the Northeast was balanced evenly between Republicans and Democrats, while the rest of the city almost uniformly voted for the latter party.[15] As a result, many Northeasters became more and more discontented with the high city taxes and a perceived imbalance in the services they received for them.[16] This discontent grew to give rise to a secessionist movement, led by State Senator Hank Salvatore, among others. Salvatore introduced a bill in the State Senate to allow the Northeast to become a separate county called Liberty County, but the bill failed to progress beyond this stage.[16] As the Philadelphia economy grew stronger, and the most discontented people fled to the suburbs, and a new, more popular mayor, Ed Rendell, was elected the call for secession waned, and the section settled back into life as a part of the city.
I remember when all this secession talk was happening. I'm telling you...it was NEVER going to go through. Trust me on that.
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HARRISBURG — Sen. Frank A. Salvatore has introduced a bill he acknowledges won't pass, doesn't have a prayer, is dead in the water. But he has a good reason for introducing it - he doesn't want anyone to steal it from him.
The legislation isn't anything new. It would allow Northeast Philadelphia to secede from the city and become its own county. Salvatore has in previous years suggested the name Liberty County.
The bill has been introduced in the past, and it has died in the past. And, Salvatore and others agree, it will keep on dying. "I introduced this knowing it's not going anyplace," Salvatore said in an interview yesterday.
Of course Paris would overload their system, there's 10 million people in the city proper. Sydney clocks in at 4.5 million. Thats just a bit more than the scant 1.5m in Philadelphia. I would expect overcrowding in cities of that size, but outside of Rush Hour, the regional rail cars aren't exactly overflowing. The Center City Communter tunnel isn't even running at capacity so there is room for improvement in regards to Regional Rail service in the short term until those subway lines are built.
I don't even think we should be looking at European systems to emulate. I always come back to the Japanese when it comes to running public transportation systems. With major commuter rail also providing addtional service through the subways. They have a seamless mix of commuter and rapid transit rail in their major population centers. I spent 4 and a half years there and I'm still amazed at how efficiently their operations are ran.
Paris actually just has 2.2 million in the city proper. 10 million would make it the largest city in Europe and bigger than London & Moscow.
Current Regional System West Trenton line
Lansdale/Doylestown Line
Fox Chase line
Manayunk/Norristown Line
Warminster Line
Chestnut Hill East Line
Trenton Line
Wilmington/Newark Line
Paoli/Thorndale Line
Media/Elwyn Line
Cynwyd Line
Chestnut Hill West Line
Airport Line
Atlantic City line
Proposed lines West Chester / Wawa line
Newtown line
New Hope Line
Allentown / Quakertown line
Reading / Norristown line
Bustleton line
Naval Yard line
Center City NEC Tunnel
Wilmington NEC Bypass
Cape May line
Wildwood Beach Branch
Mt. Holly Branch
Stony Branch
Urban Trolley Network
Current Trolley System 15 Trolley
10 Trolley
13 Trolley
11 Trolley
34 Trolley
36 Trolley
Proposed Trolleys 23 Trolley
56 Trolley
50 Trolley
60 Trolley
Delaware Trolley
Cross City Trolley
Westside Trolley
City Branch Trolley
Cynwyd Trolley
Board Street Trolley
Suburban Trolleys
Current Trolley System 102 Sharon Hill Trolley
101 Media Trolley
Proposed Trolleys 104 Newtown SQ Trolley
Subway / Heavy Rail
Current System Board Street line
Market - Frankford line
PATCO High Speed line
Norristown High Speed line
Proposed lines Roosevelt Boulevard Subway
Bustleton Avenue EL
Naval Yard Extension
Norristown High Speed Spur
Diesel Light Rail Current line RiverLINE
Proposed lines Glassboro line
Millville Extension
Pennsville line
West Trenton LRT
Major Stations
30th Street Station - Current and Future services West Trenton line
Lansdale/Doylestown Line
Fox Chase line
Manayunk/Norristown Line
Warminster Line
Chestnut Hill East Line
Trenton Line
Wilmington/Newark Line
Paoli/Thorndale Line
Media/Elwyn Line
Cynwyd Line
Chestnut Hill West Line
Airport Line
Atlantic City line West Chester / Wawa line
Newtown line
New Hope Line
Allentown / Quakertown line
Reading / Norristown line
Bustleton line
Naval Yard line
Cape May line
Wildwood Beach Branch
Mt. Holly Branch
Stony Branch
Northeast Regional
Acela Express
Keystone Service
Vermonter
15 Trolley
10 Trolley
13 Trolley
11 Trolley
34 Trolley
36 Trolley
Market - Frankford line
Suburban Station West Trenton line
Lansdale/Doylestown Line
Fox Chase line
Manayunk/Norristown Line
Warminster Line
Chestnut Hill East Line
Trenton Line
Wilmington/Newark Line
Paoli/Thorndale Line
Media/Elwyn Line
Cynwyd Line
Chestnut Hill West Line
Airport Line West Chester / Wawa line
Newtown line
New Hope Line
Allentown / Quakertown line
Reading / Norristown line
Bustleton line
Stony Branch
15 Trolley
10 Trolley
13 Trolley
11 Trolley
34 Trolley
36 Trolley
Market - Frankford line
Market East Station West Trenton line
Lansdale/Doylestown Line
Fox Chase line
Manayunk/Norristown Line
Warminster Line
Chestnut Hill East Line
Trenton Line
Wilmington/Newark Line
Paoli/Thorndale Line
Media/Elwyn Line
Cynwyd Line
Chestnut Hill West Line
Airport Line West Chester / Wawa line
Newtown line
New Hope Line
Allentown / Quakertown line
Reading / Norristown line
Bustleton line
Center City NEC Tunnel
Stony Branch
Board Street line
Market - Frankford line
PATCO High Speed line
23 Trolley
56 Trolley
50 Trolley
Next Gen Acela High Speed Rail
Trenton Transit Center Trenton Line
Northeast Corridor
Northeast Regional
Pennsylvanian
Keystone Service
Vermonter
RiverLINE
West Trenton LRT
Last edited by Nexis4Jersey; 02-10-2012 at 03:12 PM..
I love the threads where you set the rest of us straight. Awesome job.
Is this a sarcastic response?? Who's he setting strait?? seems to me like he is against improvement and advancement of this city, as well as progression to make this city more unified. Seems very closed minded, or like most, probably lives in Center City, the "Ivory tower" and does not seem to think the city goes beyond the big buildings..
There doesn't need to be a subway in NW Philly (although it would've been pretty awesome if they had built one under Germantown and Ridge Ave). The best option IMO would be to convert the Rail Lines into quasi-subway lines, with enclosed stations, high platforms, no train conductors and more frequent and later service.
I agree. The right of ways already exist. Why can't they just improve the stations in the NW and have a hybrid commuter/subway just like NYC has Metro North trains running along the same lines as the subway?
I agree. The right of ways already exist. Why can't they just improve the stations in the NW and have a hybrid commuter/subway just like NYC has Metro North trains running along the same lines as the subway?
This may be the least expensive option, but it takes the new subway lines away from the more concentrated population areas surround Ridge Ave in Manayunk/Roxborough, and surrounding Germantown Ave. Better than nothing, I guess.
Is this a sarcastic response?? Who's he setting strait?? seems to me like he is against improvement and advancement of this city, as well as progression to make this city more unified. Seems very closed minded, or like most, probably lives in Center City, the "Ivory tower" and does not seem to think the city goes beyond the big buildings..
I live in Center City and all for improvement especially for the Northeast area. I should be able to catch a bus from center city to Northeast but I can't and that needs to change
I agree. The right of ways already exist. Why can't they just improve the stations in the NW and have a hybrid commuter/subway just like NYC has Metro North trains running along the same lines as the subway?
Metro North runs along its own ROW , the Subways run there own ROW , but the 2 do meet in a few places...
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