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Old 07-07-2017, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Center City
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I feel the same way, BUT at least Nutter wasn't the same old Philly Gutter Rat Politician like Kenney. Nutter at least lived in the 2010s.
We'll see. I think Kenney will grind out some progressive achievements by the end of his tenure, albeit it without a lot of glamour.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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We'll see. I think Kenney will grind out some progressive achievements by the end of his tenure, albeit it without a lot of glamour.
What do you think he'll tackle?
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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I don't see Nutter through the same gauzy lens others do. I fail to see how a smoking ban is somehow cutting edge in the 2010s. A soda tax, yes.

I credit Ed Rendell with turning Philly into the city that attracted me to live here; not Michael Nutter. Having a "viewpoint" doesn't matter much if you can't enact it.
Rendell, absolutely via his charisma, helped turned attitudes around although he did have several bone-headed ideas like putting
paddle-wheeled river boat casinos on the Delaware.

We'll have to agree to disagree about Nutter though.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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I feel the same way, BUT at least Nutter wasn't the same old Philly Gutter Rat Politician like Kenney. Nutter at least lived in the 2010s.
And this is the point I was trying to make.

Cooperating with council? We should be getting rid of most them and not continuing to vote them in over and over again.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:39 AM
 
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We'll see. I think Kenney will grind out some progressive achievements by the end of his tenure, albeit it without a lot of glamour.
Unfortunately that tenure might last until January, 2024.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:43 AM
 
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What do you think he'll tackle?
Absolutely nothing that will put Phila. on any kind of world stage. But, yeah, let's make sure black people get to join corrupt unions like IBEW local 98.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Not being a buzzkill but... All of the stores I bolded would close within a month if they opened in CC. Philadelphia is not rich, and CC is not a shopping destination. Stores like Philipp Plein, DVF, Cartier, etc. are extremely selective with where they chose to open. CC just does not have the market for stores of that caliber, KoP does. And even if the Fendi store in KoP isn't busy, its a showcase piece, just like the locations in Manhattan, LA, Boston, etc.

Store like Ted Baker, Hugo Boss, etc. would do well because they are high-end but not out of reach for many and they are well known. The only super luxurious stores that would do well in CC would be Gucci and LV because they are well known 'showy' brands. Also, CC does not have the wealth/ buying power to support a full Bloomingdales, Nordstrom, Macys, and Lord & Taylor. A Macys and one other department store. I am just realistic, KoP certainly killed any hopes of Philadelphia having a thriving retail scene, but either way, only a handful of those stores would perform well regardless of KoP, because the wealthy of CC is not enough to support that caliber of retail, and the tourism industry in Philadelphia doesn't generally attract super wealthy people like NYC.

Also Lilly Pulitzer is ignoring the city considering her headquarters are in KoP, add a Club Monaco Men's Store. And there is a Bath & Body Works in Liberty Place. Lastly, a handful of those retailers were at one point in Philadelphia but have since closed. Burberry and Coach most recently.
Lol. You're so negative and down on Philadelphia, it's hilarious.

Philadelphia is wealthier, cleaner, has more visitors, and is growing now more than any point in the past when some of these stores were located in Philadelphia. ESPECIALLY if we're talking about Center City. Rittenhouse Square, Fitler Square, Logan Square and Society Hill are ABSOLUTELY wealthy. You cannot get a new construction home in any of these neighborhoods under $1M anymore. Other places like Wash West, Graduate Hospital, Bella Vista, Queen Village, Fairmount, Spring Garden, Old City and Northern Liberties are solidly upper middle class. Market East is becoming solidly upper middle class. University City draws in some of the wealthiest students in the country (through Penn and Drexel). Not only that, but Center City sees millions of visitors a year. The fact that there are regularly Lambo's, Ferrari's, Aston Martin's, Maserati's, Bentley's, Rolls Royce's, etc. parked at Parc, Devon and Rouge on the square, is proof enough that there is wealth in the area, and wealth to drive traffic of higher end stores.

Also, these stores would close in a month? LOLOLOLOL. Most of the stores I listed are not really high end. Nordstrom is NOT high end. Bloomingdale's is NOT high end. Lord & Taylor is NOT high end. Neiman Marcus is high end. These other stores offer high end products, but the majority of the stores are not high end. Somebody making $70K, $80K, $90k, $100K a year can easily shop at Nordstrom, Bloomies or L&T.

I maybe see your point about Bulgari, DVF, Philipp Plein, Carolina Herrera, MCM and Marc Cain because they're so specific and basically Boutique. The others though? Cartier is a blingy, showy name, like Louis Vuitton and Gucci. David Yurman is mostly jewelry, and I think would do just fine in Center City. Longchamp is NOT high end. Robert Graham is about the level of Ted Baker. Shinola and Tag Heuer are mostly watches, and would do just fine. Wolford is not that high end.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:52 AM
 
Location: East Aurora, NY
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I don't see Nutter through the same gauzy lens others do. I fail to see how a smoking ban is somehow cutting edge in the 2010s. A soda tax, yes.

I credit Ed Rendell with turning Philly into the city that attracted me to live here; not Michael Nutter. Having a "viewpoint" doesn't matter much if you can't enact it.

Nutter did a lot more than just push for a smoking ban. His Admin is responsible for expanding 311 which is what I and many others use to report problems. I have used it successfully many times. Nutter was a prominent national figure and actively promoted Philadelphia nationally. He stood up to the unions. He oversaw an increase in population and a decrease in crime. He oversaw a massive increase in the Cities bond rating. He oversaw the building of numerous public parks (Schuykill Banks, Dilworth Park, Sister Cities Park etc.). He also created several environmental offices and was also focused on actually collecting data which will be used to help improve the city for many years to come. He knew how to strike the right tone with the City's flash mob problem unlike the crickets we hear coming from Kenney.
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Old 07-07-2017, 11:25 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Lol. You're so negative and down on Philadelphia, it's hilarious.

Philadelphia is wealthier, cleaner, has more visitors, and is growing now more than any point in the past when some of these stores were located in Philadelphia. ESPECIALLY if we're talking about Center City. Rittenhouse Square, Fitler Square, Logan Square and Society Hill are ABSOLUTELY wealthy. You cannot get a new construction home in any of these neighborhoods under $1M anymore. Other places like Wash West, Graduate Hospital, Bella Vista, Queen Village, Fairmount, Spring Garden, Old City and Northern Liberties are solidly upper middle class. Market East is becoming solidly upper middle class. University City draws in some of the wealthiest students in the country (through Penn and Drexel). Not only that, but Center City sees millions of visitors a year. The fact that there are regularly Lambo's, Ferrari's, Aston Martin's, Maserati's, Bentley's, Rolls Royce's, etc. parked at Parc, Devon and Rouge on the square, is proof enough that there is wealth in the area, and wealth to drive traffic of higher end stores.

Also, these stores would close in a month? LOLOLOLOL. Most of the stores I listed are not really high end. Nordstrom is NOT high end. Bloomingdale's is NOT high end. Lord & Taylor is NOT high end. Neiman Marcus is high end. These other stores offer high end products, but the majority of the stores are not high end. Somebody making $70K, $80K, $90k, $100K a year can easily shop at Nordstrom, Bloomies or L&T.

I maybe see your point about Bulgari, DVF, Philipp Plein, Carolina Herrera, MCM and Marc Cain because they're so specific and basically Boutique. The others though? Cartier is a blingy, showy name, like Louis Vuitton and Gucci. David Yurman is mostly jewelry, and I think would do just fine in Center City. Longchamp is NOT high end. Robert Graham is about the level of Ted Baker. Shinola and Tag Heuer are mostly watches, and would do just fine. Wolford is not that high end.
I am not negative, I am a realist, you constantly inflate Philadelphia and give the city more credit than it deserves in many categories. I love the enthusiasm, but lets bring it down a few notches.


To address your points... I never said CC was not wealthy, CC is wealthy, but it is a tiny dot in a sea of lower middle class and highly impoverished neighborhoods. Of course you have neighborhoods here and there that have wealth, but that is not enough to support that caliber or that much retail. There is also no cachet of having a luxurious store on Walnut St even if doesn't make any money. There are plenty of stores on 5th Ave, Newbury St, Georgetown, or KoP that probably do not make money, but its all about advertising, and those are the locations where the brands and designers will get the most benefit from advertising. There is a reason why Ralph Lauren, Burberry, BCBG, Armani Exchange, and Coach (2 stores) chose to keep their outposts in KoP and not Philadelphia.

You also know that a lot of those Bentleys, Lambos, Ferraris, etc. drive in from the suburbs right? This is also short-sited. Just because you see a handful of luxurious cars in the most expensive part of the city does not mean there is wealth to support the retail. Take a trip out to a shopping center or gym on the Main Line, and then you will see a lineup of luxury cars.

Next, Bloomingdales is 100% a high-end department store. A majority of its biggest brands are what you would consider high-end (theory, DVF, Burberry, Reiss, Hugo Boss, Ralph Lauren (all labels) etc. Nordstrom is also a high-end department store that carries a lot of unique or contemporary designers that aren't necessarily expensive, but they are still high fashion. Lord & Taylor is a mid-tier department store, in-between a Macys and Nordstrom.

The fact that you think a Macys, L&T, Nordstrom, and Bloomingdales can all make it together in Philadelphia is laughable, considering only a handful of US cities have a department store lineup like that. As I said Philadelphia can support a Macys and maybe one other, probably a Nordstrom or Lord & Taylor.

And yes, the brands I mentioned earlier are not all are super high-end but they cater to a very specific demographic. Longchamp for example caters to wealthy white women, just like Lilly Pulitzer. There is a very limited demographic of that in Philadelphia. However, in Montgomery, Chester, Delaware, and Bucks Counties you have a sea of zip-codes with that demographic. I could see Longchamp entering Cherry Hill before CC.

Again with Wolford, first of all Wolford is 100% high-end (even Saks carries their lines), and again the demographic it caters too is not found in Philadelphia outside of a few CC enclaves.

I would love high-end retail to enter Philadelphia just as much as you, but your views on it are very short-sited, and there is a reason why KoP attracts everything, its not a mistake. The Nordstrom in KoP is among their top 5 stores in the nation in sales per sqft. Their Macys is the highest grossing in our region.

I know a lot about designers, brands, and the retail market, I am not attacking you, just bringing you down a notch, and informing you about retail.
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Old 07-07-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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Lol. You're so negative and down on Philadelphia, it's hilarious.

Philadelphia is wealthier, cleaner, has more visitors, and is growing now more than any point in the past when some of these stores were located in Philadelphia. ESPECIALLY if we're talking about Center City. Rittenhouse Square, Fitler Square, Logan Square and Society Hill are ABSOLUTELY wealthy. You cannot get a new construction home in any of these neighborhoods under $1M anymore. Other places like Wash West, Graduate Hospital, Bella Vista, Queen Village, Fairmount, Spring Garden, Old City and Northern Liberties are solidly upper middle class. Market East is becoming solidly upper middle class. University City draws in some of the wealthiest students in the country (through Penn and Drexel). Not only that, but Center City sees millions of visitors a year. The fact that there are regularly Lambo's, Ferrari's, Aston Martin's, Maserati's, Bentley's, Rolls Royce's, etc. parked at Parc, Devon and Rouge on the square, is proof enough that there is wealth in the area, and wealth to drive traffic of higher end stores.
Just to stress part of your point: a million $ home was built a couple of years ago on the se corner of 16th and Green(in Spring Garden). That would have been pretty unthinkable a decade ago.
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