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Old 02-01-2019, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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So all the fake race crimes news is OK then, interesting. Well, at least you agree it exists yet it's odd you've never mentioned its existence before now.

Social media certainly wasn't around during Pulitzer and Hearst's eras, now we have anyone who wants to report or create yellow journalism out there.

Do you really justify though the yellow journalism of the media/journalism manipulating crimes involving race to create racial division in 2019?

Do you really consider Pulitzer a part of yellow journalism? He couldn't have been that bad, it is the hightly-regarded Pulitzer Prize for Journalism after all.
One, as I've tried to explain to you already, racial division existed then and still exists now; the news media may whip it up just as the President has enabled the white bigots, but it wasn't created out of thin air. Hindsight is 20/20, but in retrospect, we should have been able to predict a backlash on the part of the soon-to-be white minority (or will it be a minority really?) to the election of Barack Obama as President.

That's the way the cycle of racial progress has moved since this country was founded: periods of advancement followed by periods of retrenchment. Perhaps the stories are shaped the way they are because their creators fear the retrenchment?

Two, kyb01 is right: yes, Joseph Pulitzer did his part to advance "yellow journalism" too. His first paper, today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch, was then and is now a solid, respectable publication, but his later, larger creation, the New York World, was as sensationalist as they come. Much as Andrew Carnegie's libraries, concert hall, Endowment for International Peace, pension fund for teachers and "gospel of wealth" ("Give it all away before you die, or let the state give it away for you" - in his words, "He who dies rich dies disgraced") were in many respects his efforts to atone for his sins as he built his steel empire, so Pulitzer's endowment of both the prizes and the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism were his efforts to atone for his coarsening of the craft.
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Old 02-03-2019, 04:46 PM
 
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So all the fake race crimes news is OK then, interesting. Well, at least you agree it exists yet it's odd you've never mentioned its existence before now.

Social media certainly wasn't around during Pulitzer and Hearst's eras, now we have anyone who wants to report or create yellow journalism out there.

Do you really justify though the yellow journalism of the media/journalism manipulating crimes involving race to create racial division in 2019?

Do you really consider Pulitzer a part of yellow journalism? He couldn't have been that bad, it is the hightly-regarded Pulitzer Prize for Journalism after all.
Did I say it was okay?! Why wouldn't I say it exists?

It was a long standing problem wrt some parts of the old time media a century ago. Hearst, especially, "created" stories to sell papers. To him that was the point: selling papers and making money. News accuracy had nothing to do with anything he did.

Just google Pulitzer's past. His past doesn't seem to matter nowadays when one brings up the journalism prize in his name.

I have talked about it before with MarketEl on this board.
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Old 02-16-2019, 07:45 AM
 
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Old 02-16-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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There was a shooting, between teens, over a weed deal in Havertown last week.

Did you ignore that for some reason?
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Old Yesterday, 01:55 PM
 
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One, as I've tried to explain to you already, racial division existed then and still exists now; the news media may whip it up just as the President has enabled the white bigots, but it wasn't created out of thin air. Hindsight is 20/20, but in retrospect, we should have been able to predict a backlash on the part of the soon-to-be white minority (or will it be a minority really?) to the election of Barack Obama as President.

That's the way the cycle of racial progress has moved since this country was founded: periods of advancement followed by periods of retrenchment. Perhaps the stories are shaped the way they are because their creators fear the retrenchment?

Two, kyb01 is right: yes, Joseph Pulitzer did his part to advance "yellow journalism" too. His first paper, today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch, was then and is now a solid, respectable publication, but his later, larger creation, the New York World, was as sensationalist as they come. Much as Andrew Carnegie's libraries, concert hall, Endowment for International Peace, pension fund for teachers and "gospel of wealth" ("Give it all away before you die, or let the state give it away for you" - in his words, "He who dies rich dies disgraced") were in many respects his efforts to atone for his sins as he built his steel empire, so Pulitzer's endowment of both the prizes and the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism were his efforts to atone for his coarsening of the craft.
Ah, yes, the white anxiety of not being the majority story with a side, of course, of Trump emboldening white attacks against blacks. Now how did Obama win the white house, twice, without all those white racists in the rust belt? Obama won the white house because of what is now the white-lash against Obama. So all those stupid white people voted for their own demise. Interesting.

I see you're from the Van Jones school of white-lash though. I guess Jones has a Yale Law Degree but being an Obama advisor he has to put all his ''brains'' to work.

Anyway, it's interesting that you focus on the white minority as if blacks are going to join in a color rainbow coalition with Asians and hispanics in a unified coalition against whites. Face it, the race issue in the U.S. is white vs. black.

In reality, blacks aren't growing at large numbers anymore and will be dead last in terms of their numbers. Obviously there will be more hispanics and, separately, more Asians than African Americans. For some reason there is also tension between the black and brown communities as well as the black and Asian communities.

If anything, I think the black community is in retrenchment and the media is its last stand by promoting racial discord (at least when whites can be portrayed as being the aggressors). Boring, cliche, and obvious.

Next.
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Old Yesterday, 01:59 PM
 
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There was a shooting, between teens, over a weed deal in Havertown last week.

Did you ignore that for some reason?
Did the weed deal involve a white kid and black kid?

Also, this motorcycle gang story is ridiculous. Police can't do anything? Not buying that. I just saw one of these gang rides in Center City a couple weeks ago.

Problem is if these riders injure or kill a pedestrian or do the same for other drivers.

Obviously one of these riders can easily be killed; then what? The city's fault for tolerating it.
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Old Yesterday, 02:35 PM
 
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Ah, yes, the white anxiety of not being the majority story with a side, of course, of Trump emboldening white attacks against blacks. Now how did Obama win the white house, twice, without all those white racists in the rust belt? Obama won the white house because of what is now the white-lash against Obama. So all those stupid white people voted for their own demise. Interesting.

I see you're from the Van Jones school of white-lash though. I guess Jones has a Yale Law Degree but being an Obama advisor he has to put all his ''brains'' to work.

Anyway, it's interesting that you focus on the white minority as if blacks are going to join in a color rainbow coalition with Asians and hispanics in a unified coalition against whites. Face it, the race issue in the U.S. is white vs. black.

In reality, blacks aren't growing at large numbers anymore and will be dead last in terms of their numbers. Obviously there will be more hispanics and, separately, more Asians than African Americans. For some reason there is also tension between the black and brown communities as well as the black and Asian communities.

If anything, I think the black community is in retrenchment and the media is its last stand by promoting racial discord (at least when whites can be portrayed as being the aggressors). Boring, cliche, and obvious.

Next.
Study after study has found that racial resentment was the primary motivator for Trump voters. Of course that shouldn’t be surprising since racial resentment is one of the few consistent traits of Trump’s worldview and it was and remains the fundamental underpinning of his ideology to the extent that he has one. Below is an excerpt from a study of white millennial Trump voters. I look forward to your “FAKE NEWS!” dismissal of valid research.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3cbda786e95b
“Contrary to what some have suggested, white millennial Trump voters were not in more economically precarious situations than non-Trump voters. Fully 86 percent of them reported being employed, a rate similar to non-Trump voters; and they were 14 percent less likely to be low income than white voters who did not support Trump. Employment and income were not significantly related to that sense of white vulnerability.

So what was? Racial resentment.

Even when controlling for partisanship, ideology, region and a host of other factors, white millennials fit Michael Tesler’s analysis, explored here. As he put it, economic anxiety isn’t driving racial resentment; rather, racial resentment is driving economic anxiety. We found, as he has in a larger population, that racial resentment is the biggest predictor of white vulnerability among white millennials. Economic variables like education, income and employment made a negligible difference.”
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Old Yesterday, 02:48 PM
 
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This is my slant that is irreverent as a outsider. I'd wish CC was not a region gang presence is seen and small-time drug deals gone bad result. It should be freer from such crime vs none core areas.

Philly has a rising reputation for its core and certainly doesn't need gang activity there and increases in homeless with less places to hide or not afraid of the Police.

I once thought Chicago made a deal with Gangs to stay out of the core and they could deal on their turf. Still it seems less examples in its downtown. Doesn't mean none or doesn't occurs even in the wealthiest neighborhoods around it.

Any criminal can hop on transit to get there in either city. Chicago also has much more places from bridges to lower-drives and to hide there. Most you see holding up cardboard signs .... are professional hustlers. They seem to get allowed. But to blemish the Parks .... fahgetaboutit. The Police WILL stop most there. Even public tables on State St won't have vagrants. They know where they cannot hang out.

Some is Police more active in prevention and a city who wants continued rise in Tourism to fill its coffers coming spending money. Tourism is too lucrative today and Philly will benefit as it increases. But they need not see too much to deter them.

No one will say any city can't do better and have things seen to hurt reputations rising. Having no tables or benches ... isn't a answer either to feel it less likely to happen for vagrants seen. Visitors want to see and find such places in their travels too. CC needs to be extra-patrolled as necessary. It's the city's image that is its best leg forward there.

Just opinion as no one will say you can't stop happenings in large cities. But CC is the center that needs to be its Showcase to outsiders from negatives at all possible to prevent there with priority.

All just opinion.

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Old Yesterday, 03:11 PM
 
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Study after study has found that racial resentment was the primary motivator for Trump voters. Of course that shouldn’t be surprising since racial resentment is one of the few consistent traits of Trump’s worldview and it was and remains the fundamental underpinning of his ideology to the extent that he has one. Below is an excerpt from a study of white millennial Trump voters. I look forward to your “FAKE NEWS!” dismissal of valid research.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3cbda786e95b
“Contrary to what some have suggested, white millennial Trump voters were not in more economically precarious situations than non-Trump voters. Fully 86 percent of them reported being employed, a rate similar to non-Trump voters; and they were 14 percent less likely to be low income than white voters who did not support Trump. Employment and income were not significantly related to that sense of white vulnerability.

So what was? Racial resentment.

Even when controlling for partisanship, ideology, region and a host of other factors, white millennials fit Michael Tesler’s analysis, explored here. As he put it, economic anxiety isn’t driving racial resentment; rather, racial resentment is driving economic anxiety. We found, as he has in a larger population, that racial resentment is the biggest predictor of white vulnerability among white millennials. Economic variables like education, income and employment made a negligible difference.”
Tbh, stopped reading after the first sentence.

Study after study showed trump couldn’t get the republican nomination and even more study and study and poll after poll showed trump couldn’t beat Hillary Clinton and win the White House...
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Old Yesterday, 03:14 PM
 
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This is my slant that is irreverent as a outsider. I'd wish CC was not a region gang presence is seen and small-time drug deals gone bad result. It should be freer from such crime vs none core areas.

Philly has a rising reputation for its core and certainly doesn't need gang activity there and increases in homeless with less places to hide or not afraid of the Police.

I once thought Chicago made a deal with Gangs to stay out of the core and they could deal on ther turf. Still it seems less examples in its downtown. Doesn't mean none or doesn't occurs even in the wealthiest neighborhoods around it.

Any criminal can hop on transit to get there in either city. Chicago also has much more places from bridges to lower-drives etch to hide there. Most you see holding up cardboard signs .... are professional hustlers. They seem to get allowed. But to blemish the Parks .... fahgetaboutit. The Police WILL stop most there. Even public tables on State St won't have vagrants. They know where they cannot hang out.

Some is Police more active in prevention and a city who wants continued rise in Tourism to fill its coffers coming spending money. Tourism is too lucrative today and Philly will benefit as it increases. But they need not see too much to deter them.

No one will say any city can't do better and have things seen to hurt reputations rising. Having no tables or benches ... isn't a answer either to feel it less likely to happen for vagrants seen. Visitors want to see and find such places in their travels too. CC needs to be extra-patrolled as necessary. It's the city's image that is its best leg forward there.

Just opinion as no one will say you can't stop happenings in large cities. But CC is the center that needs to be its Showcase to outsiders from negatives at all possible to prevent there with priority.

All just opinion.
Yes, center city needs to be rid of the nonsense that is permitted to go on there.
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