04-23-2013, 07:43 PM
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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some people just refuse to believe anything nice could exist in north philly. theyre part of the problem not the solution
I'm not one of those guys. It's just that areas like West/East Oak lane, Cedarbrook, and Olney always had a distinct feel to it that separates it from the rest of North Philly. I don't separate areas like Fairmount and Spring Garden from North Philly because those areas more of a result of gentrification.
04-23-2013, 07:45 PM
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Wikipedia would not be my final authority on any topic.
04-23-2013, 07:55 PM
Location: Midwest
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That's because they consider NORTH PHILADELPHIA to be THREE DIFFERENT PLANNING DISTRICTS.
I am unaware of the city officially recognizing the Olney/Oak Lane District as part of North Philadelphia. I have seen your maps from Wikipedia with Olney highlighted along with the rest of North Philadelphia, but I can't find any evidence the city did the highlighting. I'm not above being proven wrong though - so if you do find something official, I can live with that. Like I said before, I don't really care too much about that. It might have to be something we'll agree to disagree about. I do stick by what I said before, which is that everyone I know who live in Olney or the Oak Lanes, which is quite a few people, don't consider it North Philadelphia. And that's good enough for me, as historically it has always had it's separate identity.
The thing that I disagree with you very much on is Fishtown, Port Richmond, Kensington, and Bridesburg being part of Northeast Philadelphia. They are not. I'll go in circles with you for that one till the end.
And just to set the record straight on other things - I'm in agreement with you on several other points - such as Lower North Philadelphia neighborhoods obviously being part of North Philadelphia.
04-23-2013, 07:57 PM
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Wow my thread has really taken off! Okay heres what I have to say about the whole neighborhoods argument thing. First let me speak on Olney. The reason there is so much argument about Olney, is because Olney is not the typical north Philly ghetto like other neighborhoods. Its a very diverse neighborhood (economically and racially) with a successful business district ("5th Street"), and transportation station. Wikipedia even has it as northwest Philly (not that I'm putting stake in Wikipedia lol). Its amazing how crossing the Boulevard from Hunting Park to Olney how different they are. So I understand why Olney is argued. The Oak lanes ( especially west Oaklane) are right there from Mount airy. The big well-maintained homes, clean streets, and Black middle class puts me in the mindset of Northwest Philly. Even riding through the Oak lanes they seem like different territory than the rest of North Philly (parts of Olney too). You wouldn't put Olney with Nicetown. You wouldn't put West Oaklane with Hunting Park. You wouldn't put East Oaklane with Fairhill. Until whoever has the power to formally change where the neighborhoods are considered to be, the debate will continue.
04-23-2013, 08:16 PM
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Funny, because back in the day, the wealthy elite lived in North Philly, before the Main Line and similar areas like Chestnut Hill were constructed.
Well ... back in the day the very wealthy lived in West Philly, too.
Ever hear of the Hamilton Family's estate and mansion "The Woodlands"? Some architects call it the most magnificent late Eighteenth Century Federal-Style mansion in the country.
Half a block from my house is the "Horace Trumbauer Mansion" - a stately Beaux-Arts style mansion in beige Indiana limestone and block from there is a fine brick Victorian built for real estate developer Clarence Clark (the guy Clark Park is named after).
04-23-2013, 08:18 PM
Location: Tall Building down by the river
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I am unaware of the city officially recognizing the Olney/Oak Lane District as part of North Philadelphia. I have seen your maps from Wikipedia with Olney highlighted along with the rest of North Philadelphia, but I can't find any evidence the city did the highlighting. I'm not above being proven wrong though - so if you do find something official, I can live with that. Like I said before, I don't really care too much about that. It might have to be something we'll agree to disagree about. I do stick by what I said before, which is that everyone I know who live in Olney or the Oak Lanes, which is quite a few people, don't consider it North Philadelphia. And that's good enough for me, as historically it has always had it's separate identity.
So I guess lower North Philadelphia is considered "North Philadelphia East"?
04-23-2013, 08:46 PM
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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So I guess lower North Philadelphia is considered "North Philadelphia East"?
Apparently by you it is.
04-24-2013, 01:03 AM
Location: Bella Vista
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Yes, they do. Oak Lane is in NORTH Philadelphia, which is NORTH of Center City. Fishtown and Kensington are in the Riverwards which is a subset of NORTHEAST Philadelphia which is NORTH and EAST (NORTHEAST) of Center City. Why is this so difficult? I do not understand. I have posted links and described this several times yet you still refuse to believe it.
It's not that people don't understand. It's that they don't agree. Just because you posted a link to wikipedia doesn't really settle anything.
It's not like it was ever decreed in a law that the riverwards are a subset of Northeast Philadelphia. I never considered Fishtown and Kensington as having anything at all to do with Northeast Philadelphia. The wikipedia lists seem to follow the guidelines set forth in some of the maps you've posted which are used by the city for planning purposes, creating vast regional sections of the city that all neighborhoods then fit into. Reality is not always so neat and tidy however. Just because some planning commission decided that the riverwards shouldn't have their own regional section and should be lumped in with Northeast Philly doesn't make it so.
I'd be a lot more interested in how many people who lived in Fishtown, considered themselves to be living in a part of Northeast Philadelphia. That means more to me than some wikipedia list or a few random maths.
You act as though this stuff is set in stone and handed down from god. it ain't. you're young and I don't believe you even grew up in philly. it's pretty arrogant to go around telling people who lived here a lot longer than you where they live and what's what. I've also never heard of the riverwards being associated themselves with North Philly and it seems just as far fetched as an association with northeast philly, but if you polled the residents of Fishtown and 90% of them said that Fishtown was part of North Philly(not saying this would be the case, in fact I know it wouldn't, just saying for example), who are you to tell them they ain't?
04-24-2013, 06:34 AM
Location: Philly
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I'm not one of those guys. It's just that areas like West/East Oak lane, Cedarbrook, and Olney always had a distinct feel to it that separates it from the rest of North Philly. I don't separate areas like Fairmount and Spring Garden from North Philly because those areas more of a result of gentrification.
Seems pretty sensible. it seems that these areas became lumped in with north philly as they became run down. you are right, they are not historically part of north philly afaik. west oak lane and cedarbrook are much newer. for the most part philly moved north first, then west (there was no permanent bridge until 1873 I think , right around the time that penn moved out of center city)
04-24-2013, 08:53 AM
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Oak Lane and Olney are not a part of North Philly. Period. That's where I went to high school.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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