Philly or Jersey?? (Penn: construction, income, taxes)

[rainrock]

Population

1.Montgomery County- 775,688
2.Bucks County-623,205
3.Delaware County-555,996
4.Camden County-517,001
5.Chester County-482,112
6.Burlington-450,627
7.Gloucester-282,031
8.Salem-65,595

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

And PA burbs are home to the highest concentration of DISCOUNT shopping in the country. Yeah that's what I want to be close to as many Home Depot's as I can get - read BUSH LEAGUE.

Factory Outlets in PA:

Outlet Shopping in Pennsylvania

# Gettysburg Village
Gettysburg, PA
Phone: 717-337-9705
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 57 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

# Prime Outlets at Grove City
Grove City, PA
Phone: 724-748-4770
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 114 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

# The Outlets at Hershey, PA
Hershey, PA
Phone: 717-520-1236
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 51 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

# Penn's Purchase Factory Outlet Village
Lahaska, PA
Phone: 215-794-0300
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 28 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

# Rockvale Square Outlets
Lancaster, PA
Phone: 717-293-9595
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 79 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

# Tanger Outlet Center
Lancaster, PA
Phone: 717-392-7260
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 59 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

# Home Furnishings Factory Outlet Mall
Morgantown, PA
Phone: 610-286-2000
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 18 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

# Franklin Mills
Philadelphia, PA
Phone: 215-632-1500
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 78 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

# VF Outlet Village
Reading, PA
Phone: 610-378-0408
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 63 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

# The Factory Shops at Georgian Place
Somerset, PA
Phone: 814-443-3818
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 11 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

# The Crossings Premium Outlets
Tannersville, PA
Phone: 570-629-4650
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 106 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

Factory Outlets in SJ:

# Atlantic City Outlets, The Walk
Atlantic City, NJ
Phone: (609) 343-0081
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 40 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

# Princeton Forrestal Village Shops and Restaurants
Princeton, NJ
Phone: 609-799-7400
Smart Shopper Review:
This Center has 13 TRUE Factory Outlet Stores.

Inferiority Complex perhaps? How about Kohl's. 14 locations in the 4 Pa counties. 6 in South Jersey. Macys 6 in Pa counties 4 in South Jersey.

You claimed that South Jersey had more things to offer than the 4 Pa. suburbs and then you go posting outlet shopping centers from Erie and Altoona. Cheap trick dont you think?

Truth be told the one outlet center they did build in suburban Philly (Royersford) are upscale stores something South Jersey probably could not support.

789 Adidas (610) 327-9565
299 Ann Taylor Factory Store (610) 718-5660
1113 Anne Klein (610) 327-4254
1023 Bali Outlet (610) 970-5393
327 Banana Republic Factory Store (610) 718-8390
1087 Bass (610) 326-6838
1119 BCBG Max Azria (610) 323-0818
401 Bebe Apr 25 (est)
199 Brooks Brothers Factory Store (610) 326-1804
1169 California Sunshine Swimwear (610) 326-3939
1199 Calvin Klein (610) 326-6841
167 Casual Male XL (610) 327-3849
763 Charlotte Russe (610) 705-5982
377 Chico's (610) 323-5753
601 Columbia Sportswear Apr 3 (est)
989 Converse (610) 326-8000
1201 Diesel Spring 2008
101 DKNY Jeans (610) 323-6542
1291 Dressbarn Apr 3 (est)
1093 Ecko Unltd May 2 (est)
1099 Eddie Bauer (610) 327-2961
739 Elie Tahari (610) 970-4547
233 Esprit (610) 323-6668
1223 French Connection Spring 2008
801 Gap Outlet (610) 970-8501
1005 Geoffrey Beene (610) 718-5436
201 Guess (610) 970-1826
1153 Hanes Brands (610) 970-5767
759 Izod (610) 326-5516
1013 J.Crew (610) 323-5719
1083 Jockey (610) 323-5599
1193 Jones New York (610) 327-4973
1215 Juicy Couture Apr 3 (est)
1171 Kasper (610) 327-3859
899 Lane Bryant Outlet (610) 705-3467
1021 Levi's Outlet (610) 326-4940
1059 Lids for Less (610) 970-6890
101 Liz Claiborne (610) 326-6231
1229 Lucky Brand Jeans Apr 3 (est)
241 Maidenform (610) 327-1050
1109 Michael Kors (610) 327-8000
1105 Miss Sixty / Energie (610) 327-4842
753 Neiman Marcus Last Call (610) 326-4230
901 Nike Factory Store (610) 327-1748
1075 Oakley Vault (610) 327-1500
771 PacSun (610) 326-1813
365 Perry Ellis (610) 705-5972
899 Petite Sophisticate Outlet (610) 327-6836
1135 Puma (610) 326-2003
789 Reebok (610) 326-4918
1233 Rock & Republic Spring 2008
867 Rue21 (610) 970-5241
1061 Sean John (610) 323-0348
1235 Spyder Apr 3 (est)
733 Timberland (610) 327-1734
301 Tommy Hilfiger (610) 718-9571
1207 True Religion Apr 25 (est)
1073 Under Armour (610) 326-6205
145 Van Heusen (610) 326-6860
1123 White House | Black Market (610) 326-9361
1015 Wilsons Leather Outlet (610) 326-6241
1067 Zumiez (610) 323-5795

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Suite Store Telephone
789 Adidas (610) 327-9565
385 Aerosoles (610) 323-1678
1125 Aldo (610) 970-1398
1087 Bass (610) 326-6838
1002 Brown Shoe Closet (610) 326-2836
729 Clarks Bostonian (610) 327-1595
425 Cole Haan Apr 3 (est)
989 Converse (610) 326-8000
393 Crocs (610) 705-0129
1065 Easy Spirit (610) 970-5343
999 Factory Brand Shoes (610) 323-6561
1007 Florsheim (610) 718-5370
1027 Johnston & Murphy Spring 2008
1003 Merrell (610) 327-6978
1001 Naturalizer (610) 327-3081
901 Nike Factory Store (610) 327-1748
1185 Nine West (610) 970-1145
1135 Puma (610) 326-2003
789 Reebok (610) 326-4918
835 Robert Wayne Footwear (610) 327-4920
657 SAS Factory Shoe Store Spring 2008
1071 Skechers (610) 326-9733
267 Stride Rite Keds Sperry (610) 327-1216
733 Timberland (610) 327-1734

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Suite Store Telephone
1157 Carter's (610) 970-3246
1137 The Children's Place Outlet (610) 705-4890
285 Disney Store Outlet Spring 2008
1019 Gymboree Outlet (610) 326-7051
723 Hartstrings (610) 326-8221
1149 KB Toy Outlet (610) 323-5801
1131 Limited Too (610) 323-8380
1165 OshKosh B'Gosh (610) 327-1354
267 Stride Rite Keds Sperry (610) 327-1216

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Suite Store Telephone
1101 Coach (610) 326-4860
740 Kate Spade (610) 326-6242
1077 The Luggage Factory (610) 323-0568
715 Samsonite Company Store (610) 323-6848
1015 Wilsons Leather Outlet (610) 326-6241

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Suite Store Telephone
1063 Claire's Accessories (610) 327-4584
1101 Coach (610) 326-4860
1081 Fossil Spring 2008
1030 Gold Toe (610) 323-5476
740 Kate Spade (610) 326-6242
1109 Michael Kors (610) 327-8000
1031 Movado Company Store (610) 705-5592
1247 Solstice Spring 2008
1035 Sunglass Hut (610) 327-2711
1053 Sunglass Icon (610) 326-9313
885 Time Factory Watch Outlet (610) 327-6882
1017 Totes/Sunglass World (610) 323-0580
1051 Ultra Diamonds (610) 326-2283
741 Zales Outlet (610) 323-8187

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Suite Store Telephone
1177 Calphalon Kitchen Outlet (610) 718-9413
225 Le Creuset (610) 327-0403
703 Le Gourmet Chef (610) 323-7025
753 Neiman Marcus Last Call (610) 326-4230
553 Oneida Apr 11 (est)
707 Pfaltzgraff (610) 970-4290
501 Restoration Hardware Apr 3 (est)
1011 Waterford Wedgwood (610) 327-4140

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Suite Store Telephone
1121 The Cosmetics Company Store (610) 970-2812
747 Crabtree & Evelyn (610) 327-4340
1033 Fragrance Outlet (610) 323-0710
709 Harry & David (610) 323-0305
1149 KB Toy Outlet (610) 323-5801
1058 Lancôme - The Company Outlet (610) 323-7012
1029 Lindt Chocolate (610) 970-2403
1055 Perfumania (610) 718-5805
873 Rocky Mountain Chocolate Factory (610) 327-2190
399 Sony (610) 323-8650
1085 The Uniform Outlet (610) 327-0800
705 Yankee Candle May 23 (est)

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[MoorestownResident]

Think again. The Promenade in Marlton is certainly one the most upscale strip malls in the region if not in America and is anchored by LL Bean.

The Promenade at Sagemore is a large regional shopping mall located in the Marlton section of Evesham Township, in Burlington County, New Jersey, United States, owned by Kravco Simon. The Promenade is an open-air lifestyle center with high-end stores and a selection of casual and sit-down dining alternatives. The mall offers 1,242 parking spots and is anchored by L. L. Bean. The mall has a gross leasable area of 272,000 ft²[1].

The Promenade at Sagemore has nearly one mile of frontage on Route 73 in Evesham Township at about a mile south of Route 70. The mall is 3½ miles south of the New Jersey Turnpike via Route 73 and 3¾ miles from Interstate 295

Population and average household income are 153,400 people with a $85,780 average household income within a 5-mile radius.

Haddonfield was named "Best Shopping District" by Philadelphia Magazine, the area features more than six blocks of boutiques, home décor shops, apothecaries, haberdashers, lingerie shops, antiques, jewelry stores, and more.

Garden State Racetrack redevelopment, 575,000 GSF of retail space.

Garden State Race Track

PA is old hat, dude, proximity to Kohls and Home Depot is just BUSH LEAGUE. SJ has been developed with strong zoning laws at the municipal level with a tremendous amount of open space preserved at the municipal and county level - which is sure to drive up housing prices and commercial space as developable land becomes even more expensive. It basically learned how not to develop from north jersey. PA's zoning law is basically that of a third world country compared to NJ's which makes sense. But you can get to 10 HD's within an easy drive. Wow, isn't that desirable.

[leighland]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

Think again. The Promenade in Marlton is certainly one the most upscale strip malls in the region if not in America

ppphht..ha ha ha ha!! Thats the funniest thing I've read so far. You obviously haven't lived outside of the 2 hour commute from your hometown. Try Fashion Island in Newport Beach- THATS an upscale mall. Promenade is a nice mall on track with Fashion Valley in San Diego or Old Orchard outside of Chicago. I'll bet Tysons I or II in NoVA is the same-one them has LL Bean too.

[MoorestownResident]

Your reading comprehension is poor please re-read the statement made.

[toobusytoday]

Am I reading this correctly? Now you two guys are actually arguing over who has the best shopping?? BTW, We have a Promenade "lifestyle center" Welcome to The Promenade Shops at Saucon Valley here in the Lehigh Valley, we're much closer then the Tannersville factory outlet. Yes, anchored by LL Bean. This is fun, you go guys!

jeez, next you will be adding up the Trader Joe's and Wegmans......

[Duderino]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

Think again. The Promenade in Marlton is certainly one the most upscale strip malls in the region if not in America and is anchored by LL Bean.

If you think ANY retail destination in South Jersey beats KoP or Center City, then you're seriously delusional or just don't cross the state line all that often. Strip malls? The Limerick Premium Outlets, the upcoming Upper Providence center in Collegeville and Village at Valley Forge will provide PLENTY more upscale shopping opportunities.

It's fine to boost your area of the Philadelphia region, but please, stop trying to paint PA counties as light-weight. That is where the majority of the metro population lives, and thus, by logical extension, so resides the majority of the amenities. It's really that simple.

[MoorestownResident]

The Lehigh Valley is too far out. Palmer Square in Princeton is a lot more relevant. Wegmans just opened in Mount Laurel, in the Centerton Square 700,000 GSF shopping center bordering Moorestown. It is maybe 2 years old.

Of course there is no corporate center like Mount Laurel in PA. It is basically a market unto itself. It is also now the third largest hotel market in NJ with an explosion of hotels and executive housing flocking to the area due to the dramatic growth of corporate centers and leased space. It only trails Atlantic City and Princeton, both in SJ I might add.

[MoorestownResident]

Originally Posted by Duderino

If you think ANY retail destination in South Jersey beats KoP or Center City, then you're seriously delusional or just don't cross the state line all that often. Strip malls? The Limerick Premium Outlets, the upcoming Upper Providence center in Collegeville and Village at Valley Forge will provide PLENTY more upscale shopping opportunities.

It's fine to boost your area of the Philadelphia region, but please, stop trying to paint PA counties as light-weight. That is where the majority of the metro population lives, and thus, by logical extension, so resides the majority of the amenities. It's really that simple.

KOP is actually three malls connected. Bush League. How big can we build so the people will come? Do we have enough Kohls and HD's nearby? No, let's build some more. Bush League.

It's a question of smart growth and zoning. PA is bush league, SJ has been doing it correctly which is why our taxes are higher. Population means nothing, it's all about growth and distinctiveness not how many Kohls are in the local area. Bush League.

[MoorestownResident]

And here's the bullseye of growth in the Philly region:

The crossroads of Route 38 and Interstate 295, in addition to bringing together two major commuter routes, is the hub of prime residential, office and, increasingly, retail development. It's being talked about as the hottest growth area in South Jersey, combining strong demographics, open land and a surge of office workers.

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