Tourism in Philly (Philadelphia, Franklin Park, Franklin: transplants, lofts, garden)

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by southbound_295

Do you think that there wa
s an airport there 100 years ago?

What was nearby 100 years ago? Society Hill,Old City, Independence Hall, Liberty Bell,Old City,Fairmount Park, Ben Franklin Parkway,Art Museum.

For Philadelphias long term health they should have told the early oil barons to take a hike. We need to do better with our city and riverfront.

Instead of smokestacks lets build an accompanying neighborhood like Chestnut Hill on the lower Schuylkill. So maybe in 2015 maybe Philadlephia is one of the richest big cities in the country instead of one of the poorest. And you know what in 2115 Philadlephia is still going to be one of the poorest big cities in large part to that awful toxic infrastructure in SW Philly.

[steeps]

Originally Posted by rainrock

Planners,entrepreneurs, city officials, state officials. Somebody 100 years ago should have had the common sense not to turn 5,000 acres of SW Philly into a toxic wasteland. A couple miles away you had Independence Hall,Liberty Bell,Art Museum and amazing architecture.

Why didnt someone in City Hall say hey these refineries are going to be a black eye on Philadelphia forever.Lets use that land and river for better long term success. Let Palmyra, Marcus Hook and other out of the way , non essential towns monopolize that toxic industry.

Yes too bad it wasn't at least outside the city limits of Philly. At least Chicago had its sulfur stinking Steel Mills and huge petroleum storage Tanks in Northern Indiana. I remember times in the 80s yet. You saw the fiery smokestacks billowing for miles, driving the Interstate on my way to Chicago when I lived there. From PA my hometown, and once near the Mills, it stunk of Sulfur for a few miles to Illinois. Them days are no more. But the city once had the Stock Yards, all gone too.

As for the Delaware River Front of Philly. The past city planners and Industrialist. Could have done a MUCH better job. Preserving much more Riverfront? For Parks and recreation. Even Harbors?

Chicago did not preserve the Chicago River from Industry. But past Industrialist like Montgomery Ward and Marshall Field. FOUGHT to keep the Lakefront from being spoiled by industry and keep the Burnham Lakefront plan of Parks, Harbors and Beaches as PUBLIC LAND. ever since. The cities AWESOME Lakefront is the result. All 26 miles of it, with much of it fill.... to create Parks and have to add the Harbors and Beaches.
PHILLY STILL CAN DO MORE WITH ITS RIVERFRONT ON THE DELAWARE? It should have more Parkland around the Ben Franklin Bridge? That looks so much like the Golden Gate to admire better.

But anyway I can't resist showing some of Chicago's Lakefront. That a Couple Men with a vision and influence FOUGHT TO MAKE A REALITY.

Couple pictures from Airliner Jet

North of Downtown .Chicago Downtown
Chicago Shoreline ..Parkland and Harbor

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by rainrock

Camden is 8 Sq miles.Has a population of 50,000.

Fort Worth is 350 sq miles. Population of 800,000.

What is a better South Jersey comparison to the secondary city peers such as Fort Worth,Anaheim,Oakland etc?

Camden or South Jersey?

I don't care if you like it or not. I don't like that Camden is used. Cherry Hill can't take the name slot from Camden. It's not a city, it's a township. In most states townships are not even municipalities. In most states townships are unincorporated land. Most states don't have boroughs either. It's cities period.

This thread is about tourism & metro names are not used for tourism purposes. I won't discuss this further.

[cpomp]

Wasn't a large chunk of refinery land in south philly slated for re-development or at least a feasibility study to see if any type of activity can take place there?

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by southbound_295

My grandparents also heated with coal.

OT. I remember their coal bin and the coal ashes that got picked up like a trash collection. I also remember real, honest to God, ice boxes. And, wait for it.... gas street lights in W. Philly in the very early 1950s.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by rainrock

What was nearby 100 years ago? Society Hill,Old City, Independence Hall, Liberty Bell,Old City,Fairmount Park, Ben Franklin Parkway,Art Museum.

For Philadelphias long term health they should have told the early oil barons to take a hike. We need to do better with our city and riverfront.

Instead of smokestacks lets build an accompanying neighborhood like Chestnut Hill on the lower Schuylkill. So maybe in 2015 maybe Philadlephia is one of the richest big cities in the country instead of one of the poorest. And you know what in 2115 Philadlephia is still going to be one of the poorest big cities in large part to that awful toxic infrastructure in SW Philly.

You have an ASTOUNDING ignorance of when certain things happened in the city.

Neither the Parkway or the Art Museum or the Swann Fountain existed 100 years ago. They all were completed during the 1920s.

What was there? And back further ? Housing for the working, lower-middle classes and factories. Want to know what that housing looked like? Go to 19th St(next to Hallahan HS), between Callowhill and Vine, and you will see one block of it remaining.

Given that big chunks of the city may be under water in 2115, your view of its population then will, likely, be moot.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by cpomp

Wasn't a large chunk of refinery land in south philly slated for re-development or at least a feasibility study to see if any type of activity can take place there?

Yes. Penn already owns parts of that land nearby. Particularly off of Grays Ferry Ave.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by steeps

Yes too bad it wasn't at least outside the city limits of Philly. At least Chicago had its sulfur stinking Steel Mills and huge petroleum storage Tanks in Northern Indiana. I remember times in the 80s yet. You saw the fiery smokestacks billowing for miles, driving the Interstate on my way to Chicago when I lived there. From PA my hometown, and once near the Mills, it stunk of Sulfur for a few miles to Illinois. Them days are no more. But the city once had the Stock Yards, all gone too.

As for the Delaware River Front of Philly. The past city planners and Industrialist. Could have done a MUCH better job. Preserving much more Riverfront? For Parks and recreation. Even Harbors?

Chicago did not preserve the Chicago River from Industry. But past Industrialist like Montgomery Ward and Marshall Field. FOUGHT to keep the Lakefront from being spoiled by industry and keep the Burnham Lakefront plan of Parks, Harbors and Beaches as PUBLIC LAND. ever since. The cities AWESOME Lakefront is the result. All 26 miles of it, with much of it fill.... to create Parks and have to add the Harbors and Beaches.
PHILLY STILL CAN DO MORE WITH ITS RIVERFRONT ON THE DELAWARE? It should have more Parkland around the Ben Franklin Bridge? That looks so much like the Golden Gate to admire better.

But anyway I can't resist showing some of Chicago's Lakefront. That a Couple Men with a vision and influence FOUGHT TO MAKE A REALITY.

Couple pictures from Airliner Jet

North of Downtown .Chicago Downtown
Chicago Shoreline ..Parkland and Harbor

Why do you continue to inject Chigago oriented information in threads ABOUT PHILADELPHIA? WHY? Stop offering your, truly, unwanted "help".

And there was PLENTY of industry OUTSIDE of the Phila. city limits. Chester was a huge industrial center.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by kyb01

OT. I remember their coal bin and the coal ashes that got picked up like a trash collection. I also remember real, honest to God, ice boxes. And, wait for it.... gas street lights in W. Philly in the very early 1950s.

I remember the coal bin & watching the coal dust rising when the truck came with the delivery. No icebox memory for me but one set of grandparents had a 1st generation refrigerator that looked like an icebox & both sets of grandparents called the refrigerator the ice box.

No gas light memory for me, but one set of grandparents had one of those candlestick phones with no dial. When you picked up the phone you gave the phone number to the operator who made the connection for you. When the phone company phased out those phones back when you rented the phone from Bell Telephone, my grandmother was excited to get a modern dial phone, but concerned for the welfare of the phone operators.

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by kyb01

You have an ASTOUNDING ignorance of when certain things happened in the city.

Neither the Parkway or the Art Museum or the Swann Fountain existed 100 years ago. They all were completed during the 1920s.

Planned over 100 years ago.

Answer the question. Why would anyone develop a toxic industry in their city? A mile or 2, Oh wait I better get this absolutely correct LOL mapquest says 1.26 miles from Univ of Pennsylvania and 2.8 miles from City Hall?

Originally Posted by kyb01

Given that big chunks of the city may be under water in 2115, your view of its population then will, likely, be moot.

LOL. You dont know what geology changes will happen so stop acting like you do.Stop acting like you are some prognosticator of the future. 100 year passing is microscopic in the grand scheme of time that I doubt you will notice any change in the landscape of Philadelphia. But sadly in 100 years you probably will notice those smokestacks billowing poison onto Philadelphia and nearby SW Philly real estate values continue to be worthless.