Interesting overview of the Delco suburbs and how it relates to the current use of section 8 vouchers

[Steinish]

Originally Posted by 1ondoner

Live where you can afford to buy a good home in a good neighborhood. It may mean moving to a different state. The main difference between renting and paying a mortgage, is that the former enriches one's LL and you end up with no home while with a mortgage you end up with a home.

Back to the topic, the rental cost is what determines which areas section 8's can move into. As much as some would love to live in Radnor, the asking rent price is beyond vouchers plus they have to compete with regular renters, whom LLs prefer because of no bureaucracy with leasing.

There's Section 8 in Center City and Chestnut Hill.

[thedirtypirate]

Philadelphia, Upper Darby, Norristown, Chester, Bensalem are doomed to be the land of the ghetto then forever.

Again, hold the region back from what?? The fact that I think the areas wealthiest communities shouldn't have Section 8 makes me a backward thinker?

Yes. It is called taking in your fair share. God forbid a poor person who needs public housing tastes the good life by sending their kids too much better schools. Oh no we can't have them in our town because it will turn Ghetto and our children will be exposed to them! When in reality it is the reverse and you are exposing poor children to how to act and live.

Respect others options, simply spreading Section 8 housing to the areas wealthiest communities will do nothing but cause further tension between the wealthy and the poor in our area, do nothing to improve the existing ghettos, and it does nothing to educate or assimilate the extremely impoverished into society. Lastly, its a big middle finger to the working class who cannot afford to live in wealthy communities, while those at the bottom get a free pass.

Lumping all poor people together in certain towns is destructive to the entire health of our region. How can you not see it is a systematic problem to do this. It promotes generational poverty.

Why not reinvest in the struggling neighborhoods instead of ignoring them?

You obviously are not realistic. I thought I read a comment by you complaining about the money being spent by PHA on the Sharwoods project? Their should be criticize of that project because the other part of Ridge Ave. farther towards Fairmount Park that they already redeveloped has been a resounding failure. Absolutely nobody wants to invest a dollar in the ghetto.

As the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Suburbanites in the Delaware Valley could care less as long as it isn't in their backyard. Even in 2016, people just spat out the same stereotypes.

The Impact of Source of Income Laws on Voucher Utilization

Banning Housing Discrimination Based on Source of Income

How protection against source of income discrimination in housing can blunt the adverse effects of gentrification

[1ondoner]

What's the condition of the houses? I bet they can't attract good tenants because they are in a bad condition and/or they are in a bad neighborhood. Good tenants are picky just like LLs with good homes are picky.

Originally Posted by Steinish

There's Section 8 in Center City and Chestnut Hill.

[Steinish]

Originally Posted by 1ondoner

What's the condition of the houses? I bet they can't attract good tenants because they are in a bad condition and/or they are in a bad neighborhood. Good tenants are picky just like LLs with good homes are picky.

There are no bad neighborhoods in Center City and Chestnut Hill is a great neighborhood.

[1ondoner]

Why would a LL take a section 8 tenant over a normal tenant? Can you elaborate more on this.

Originally Posted by Steinish

There are no bad neighborhoods in Center City and Chestnut Hill is a great neighborhood.

[thedirtypirate]

Originally Posted by 1ondoner

Why would a LL take a section 8 tenant over a normal tenant? Can you elaborate more on this.

One of the reasons is Philadelphia's source of income discrimination law

Pittsburgh has implemented a law as of this year also: New Pittsburgh ordinance bars discrimination against Section 8 renters

Stacy Pethia, the Landlord Outreach Coordinator for the Housing Authority of the City of Pittsburgh, speaking before the bill passed, said the main change would be that landlords could no longer place rental ads that say “no Section 8.” She said that “would maybe open the door to people…doors that our participants don’t normally access,” and allow Section 8 participants to at least get applications in, which could result in housing for some.
While some research shows that protecting people based on source of income can have moderately positive outcomes, advocates say such laws work better when enforcing agencies have teeth and landlords are aware they’re being diligently watched. In Philadelphia — which has included source of income protections in its fair housing laws since 1980 — rental ads on sites like Craigslist regularly include language like “No Section 8,” though that’s illegal.
But Burgess said the bill is symbolic, too: “It will open up a larger discussion about how we protect and how we incentivize success and create opportunities for people who may be in low-income situations,” he said.

[1ondoner]

Most section 8 tenants have low credit scores and are likely to have eviction/judgement so they will score low during application. If the dwelling is a slum then you also get non section 8 riff raffs.

Like I said, if the dwelling is shi.tty, you get shi.tty applicants. Good properties attract good tenants. If one can't attract good tenants, the problem is the property. If you tell applicants upfront that you are doing a background check, you won't hear back from the dead beats. This is not discrimination.

Originally Posted by thedirtypirate

One of the reasons is Philadelphia's source of income discrimination law

Pittsburgh has implemented a law as of this year also: New Pittsburgh ordinance bars discrimination against Section 8 renters

[Steinish]

Originally Posted by 1ondoner

Why would a LL take a section 8 tenant over a normal tenant? Can you elaborate more on this.

Guaranteed rent and not every dwelling in every 'expensive' area is upper crusty.

[1ondoner]

There's no such thing as guaranteed rent unless tenant is on disability. They keep reviewing their situation.

If you get a good tenant it's guaranteed rent without having to worry of the condition of the dwelling or the type of occupants residing in property.

Originally Posted by Steinish

Guaranteed rent and not every dwelling in every 'expensive' area is upper crusty.