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Old 05-31-2018, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Dude...., I'm right here
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How many tourists do these sites attract per year?

Most of them are nothing more than empty fields or farmlands and you think they are fit to hold national events. We are talking about holding major events attracting tens of thousands of tourists.

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There are at least 100 sites of skirmishes &/or battles. 2 small battles were actually important.
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Old 05-31-2018, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Center City
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My gripe is more about the irrelevant stuff in the article. I feel like the author trivialized a good story by taking cheap shots at the organizer(s) of the celebrations. Like many other Philly homers, the author seems to have a chip on his shoulder regarding Philadelphia being overshadowed by other cities.
Wow! I had to re-read the article. How on earth did you come away with that from the article?
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Old 05-31-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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Unlike you and many others, I'm a citizen by choice and consider the US my home country. You were accidentally born here, while I earned my citizenship the hard way.

Most Americans would not qualify for citizenship if they were made to apply for it. The bar for citizenship is high and I'm proud that I made the cut and I was deemed fit for citizenship.
My eyes are rolling way back in my head right now. Sigh.

History of the US, which you should know a lot about, should have told you that folks like me did earn it or rather the ties I have,( or Sandy has or elizanyc has) to the past means we earned it.. Way more than you ever could.
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Old 05-31-2018, 08:55 AM
 
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So if NYC, DC, or Boston were responsible for this event would you feel the same way??

Note: DC didn't exist then during this event as I'm sure you know.
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Old 05-31-2018, 09:05 AM
 
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I could see this being a flop. You have DC and NYC, two cities that will also throw huge events and parties, and will likely have the hugest names (Taylor Swift, Beyonce, etc.) headlining the events. Whether you like them or not, that is where the people and attention will go.

So unless NYC and DC decide to let Philly have the spotlight, 2026 will be no different than any other year. Kind of like gay pride. NYC and DC have massive prides that attract international attention, and Philly is basically a street fair that no one outside of Philly pays attention to.

Sorry to be a debbie downer, thats just how I feel about the situation, and that article didn't help.
It could not be any worse than what happened in 1976 which, thank heaven, you missed.

We are capable of huge, meaningful, celebrations here. The Pope visit in 2015 proved that. Made in America also proves it every year.

My debbie downer thought is will this country even be a united at all by 2026? Right now we are not shooting at each other a la a new Civil War but we are a lot closer to it than a lot of people realize.

And do you honestly think anyone but aging millennials will care about TS and Bey in 2026? Lol.
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Old 05-31-2018, 09:08 AM
 
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The USA250 initiative has been in the works for at least four or five years and I've been following it on the side since fairly soon after its inception. They seem to have some good ideas which may or may not have been reflected in the article, but ultimately execution and cooperation between multiple initiatives will tell whether Philly will play a major role in the festivities.
If you research the USA250 goals outside the article, their hopes are to have a sort of nationwide and yearlong celebration/commemoration which is centered in Philadelphia, but also having outlets in different cities and communities. It seems they're looking for a broader, more holistic approach than simply the July 4th weekend.
I don't actually mind that in theory, but as I said it comes down to the initiative of those leading the way and the actual execution.
This makes me feel better about it. Thanks for a good overview.
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Old 05-31-2018, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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Ok I've read the article. Most of it focuses on a national ceremony. There's nothing to say Philly can't or won't do it's own thing.
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Old 05-31-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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How many tourists do these sites attract per year?

Most of them are nothing more than empty fields or farmlands and you think they are fit to hold national events. We are talking about holding major events attracting tens of thousands of tourists.
No one would consider any of those except for Valley Forge or maybe Germantown(where the Battle of Germantown is re-enacted every year).

We had thousands here three years ago over a very short period of time(Pope). We additionally had thousands here 2 years ago(DNC). And Phila. was one of the places the RNC was interested in for their convention in2020. There's a huge convention at the PA convention center right now. Dunno how many are here for it but they will blend in with the tourists who are here all the time anyhow.


Some history:

10 million people came to Philadelphia in 1876 for the Centennial. That was almost half of the country's population at the time. The Centennial itself took place on grounds that are now called the Centennial District. This area was roughly bordered by, what we now define as, 52nd St on the west, 40th St on the east, Parkside Ave on the south and Fairmount Park on the north. All in all it's a pretty small area.
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Old 05-31-2018, 09:42 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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How many tourists do these sites attract per year?

Most of them are nothing more than empty fields or farmlands and you think they are fit to hold national events. We are talking about holding major events attracting tens of thousands of tourists.


There are different ways to hold celebrations, depending on the place.

You seem to look down on us natives. Maybe if you checked the nasty attitude, you'd pick up some useful information.

There are reenactors. There are battle reenactments. Some of the battlefields have a fair amount of visitors in a regular year, all by themselves. I'd bet money that you haven't been to Fort Mifflin or the property where the Battle of Redbank occurred, which is just across the river.

On Christmas Day there has been a reenactment of Washington crossing the Delaware for as long as I can remember. People leave their homes on Christmas Day to go watch it.

Before the Battle of Guilford Courthouse, the British troops stayed on the property of one of my families.

There's a town in North Carolina that does a play every summer to celebrate an American victory at a nearby battlefield. The American victory at the Battle of Redbank is celebrated every October. These things can be woven together as part of a year-long celebration.
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Old 05-31-2018, 10:24 AM
 
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I could see this being a flop. You have DC and NYC, two cities that will also throw huge events and parties, and will likely have the hugest names (Taylor Swift, Beyonce, etc.) headlining the events. Whether you like them or not, that is where the people and attention will go.

So unless NYC and DC decide to let Philly have the spotlight, 2026 will be no different than any other year. Kind of like gay pride. NYC and DC have massive prides that attract international attention, and Philly is basically a street fair that no one outside of Philly pays attention to.

Sorry to be a debbie downer, thats just how I feel about the situation, and that article didn't help.
You don't live here and other than being on Drexel's campus as a student, you have not yet lived in any specific city neighborhood. Correct?

So it's not like you have participated in, or been around, anything that would count as big in Phila.

The NFL draft thing was gigantic. The tv and media gear that was installed for it took a week to install and another week to pack up and break down.

The magnificent arch structure that was created for the Pope',s visit in front of PMA was BEAUTIFUL. I didn't notice how great it actually looked until I saw it on film in the recent film about Pope Francis.

You are sounding just like the Negadelphians that you complain about right now.
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