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Old 02-04-2019, 03:08 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Well I'm discouraged that you decided to resurface to reiterate that only you have the true perspective on PATCO and everyone else is ignorant.
I used it to commute, starting in '69. How about you? Were you aware that bus routes feed the stations, or that the PATCO line was behind the existence of the Gallery?
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:14 PM
 
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Well, I will have you know that I shook hands with Frank Rizzo in 1991 and those hands were very large...then he whispered in my ear that he built the Gallery just for me.


OK, that second part isn't true.
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Old 02-04-2019, 04:06 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Well, I will have you know that I shook hands with Frank Rizzo in 1991 and those hands were very large...then he whispered in my ear that he built the Gallery just for me.


OK, that second part isn't true.

Rizzo was in a panic in the 70s because it was known that Philadelphians were taking PATCO to Haddonfield, then taking the bus to the Cherry Hill mall. That's why he insisted that James Rouse build the Gallery, so that there would be a Cherry Hill mall in Center City. Most people wanted the existing buildings left intact, then burrow through them to make a European style mall. Rouse had no urban experience. The closest his experience came was building Columbia, Maryland. Rizzo didn't care. He wanted the Cherry Hill mall.

By the time Rizzo was on a tear to get his very own suburban mall, Red Arrow had folded and TNJ was brought down to replace the Red Arrow buses and most bus service fed to and from PATCO, including bus routes to the malls.
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Old 02-04-2019, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Well I'm discouraged that you decided to resurface to reiterate that only you have the true perspective on PATCO and everyone else is ignorant.

I totally agree.

PATCO expansion within Philadelphia is not negative by any standards. True regional thinking would appreciate a PATCO extension to 30th st. for easy Amtrak access.

More Philadelphians take the 125 bus to King of Prussia Mall than doing the PATCO transfer to Cherry Hill Mall. As KOP is superior and an equal transit time.

I, in fact, guarantee it. NJ Transit buses are not reliable and also notorious for being unkind to pedestrians. As you wait for them on 6 lane highways. Which rarely exist in PA.

I guarantee you if you talk to people who live in S. Jersey along the PATCO line they would champion an extension to 30th street station.

No one from Pennsylvania is taking PATCO to S. Jersey to commute to the Cherry Hill Mall. This is not the 70s. Center City is THRIVING.

Rather Everyone from South Jersey is coming into Philadelphia by the droves. And appreciating the amenities. Cherry Hill to Philadelphia is alot closer to Amtrak than Cherry Hill to Trenton.

Regional thinking says. Extend PATCO to 30th st.

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Old Today, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pa
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I mean, in terms of the Subway Surface lines, it be great to see them extended to Delaware Avenue and thus have light rail in that area. Yet, I think the lines in their current form do an excellent job at getting people from West and Southwest Philly into the City.

Which leads me to my next point, how much more rail coverage does the West Philadelphia, University City are need?
Market Street Subway, all 5 subway surface routes, Amtrack 30th street station, etc.

Extending PATCO to the West is something that in my mind, purposeless.
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