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View Poll Results: Should Philly look to add a third subway line?
Yes, it would be a good long-term goal 17 54.84%
Yes, get on it right away 11 35.48%
No, it's not necessary 1 3.23%
No, it's not feasible 2 6.45%
Wouldn't really matter either way 0 0%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-10-2018, 09:49 AM
 
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Integrate PATCO speedline into the system and then have it go further west until 22nd street where it turns north until it meets Pennsylvania Avenue where it will follow the existing rail right of way and possibly split to go north on 29th Street.

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Old 10-10-2018, 05:52 PM
 
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If it's the same tunnel it's supposed to be part of the Rail Park extension.

Tangential. I read an article today about how fairly uncompliant the NY MTA is with the ADA. Septa has made great strides there.

SEPTA still owns the tunnel. I have attended events with the rail park board and inquired on their planning.
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:02 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Integrate PATCO speedline into the system and then have it go further west until 22nd street where it turns north until it meets Pennsylvania Avenue where it will follow the existing rail right of way and possibly split to go north on 29th Street.
Are you suggesting that SEPTA buy out PATCO, the Port Authority Transit Corporation? It's run by a 2 state commission. As I've said, there's nothing to stop SEPTA from abutting a line or a spur to PATCO. PATCO is subsidized by bridge tolls. How would that work with your idea?
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Old 10-11-2018, 07:24 AM
 
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Are you suggesting that SEPTA buy out PATCO, the Port Authority Transit Corporation? It's run by a 2 state commission. As I've said, there's nothing to stop SEPTA from abutting a line or a spur to PATCO. PATCO is subsidized by bridge tolls. How would that work with your idea?
That or they work out an agreement for fare split and make it into a single zone. With both using nfc cards that are technologically compatible, this could be doable.

The crux of it is that you have a rapid transit subway terminating in Center City and that kind of thing is horribly inefficient. A PATCO that heads further into Philadelphia, especially one that can bring transit to major institutions and redeveloping neighborhoods is far more efficient as a layout and better utilizing at least some existing infrastructure is more cost-effective than wholesale creation of a new line. Putting them all in the same farezone reduces a barrier to mass transit usage and ultimately makes for a more attractive system that can draw more users which then increases farebox recovery. It should ideally work as a system (including other systems like the light rail in NJ, regional rail, and the Atlantic City line) where the sum is much greater than its parts.
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:24 AM
 
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Why don't some of the younger posters on this thread use some of your obvious analytical skills to think about solutions to the very real possibility that climate change will cause even more flooding than we already have from our rivers and creek systems? What would you do about it? And what would you propose?

Thinking about future transit is a good thought exercise though.
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:21 PM
 
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That or they work out an agreement for fare split and make it into a single zone. With both using nfc cards that are technologically compatible, this could be doable.

The crux of it is that you have a rapid transit subway terminating in Center City and that kind of thing is horribly inefficient. A PATCO that heads further into Philadelphia, especially one that can bring transit to major institutions and redeveloping neighborhoods is far more efficient as a layout and better utilizing at least some existing infrastructure is more cost-effective than wholesale creation of a new line. Putting them all in the same farezone reduces a barrier to mass transit usage and ultimately makes for a more attractive system that can draw more users which then increases farebox recovery. It should ideally work as a system (including other systems like the light rail in NJ, regional rail, and the Atlantic City line) where the sum is much greater than its parts.
How often have you used PATCO?
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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Why don't some of the younger posters on this thread use some of your obvious analytical skills to think about solutions to the very real possibility that climate change will cause even more flooding than we already have from our rivers and creek systems? What would you do about it? And what would you propose?

Thinking about future transit is a good thought exercise though.
Could we build silos somewhere to transport and to hold the water in, and then sell it to California and the west coast when they hit another dry season?
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Old 10-11-2018, 02:14 PM
 
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How often have you used PATCO?
I'm not sure what your criticism is here but I use PATCO almost daily (live in CC and work in NJ). It operates as a heavy rail line, including great frequency (but with zoned fare) but since it terminates in CC, it is used primarily like commuter rail. I think this is what Oycumbler is getting at. The PATCO line would be used for intra-City travel (as opposed to just NJ to CC commuting) if it were extended through CC and in my mind, it wouldn't have to extend very far in order to function that way.
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Old 10-11-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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Could we build silos somewhere to transport and to hold the water in, and then sell it to California and the west coast when they hit another dry season?
Don't know whether you are joking or not.

Chances are they are going to have perpetual dry/fire seasons.
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Old 10-11-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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How often have you used PATCO?
I have worked for the Delaware Valley Regional Planning Commission.

SEPTA purchasing PATCO has been on a regional shortlist for quite a while as PATCO is owned by the Delaware River Port Authority.

I think the MAIN motivator behind this was SEPTA's planning infrastructure was more robust to aid in adding additional lines. (SEPTA is the 5th/6th transit agency in the nation and they have the internal systems to do transformational work with PATCO).


But do not ask me how that would work.


In recent days though Act 89 has totally transformed SEPTA's priorities. And Patco acquisition is much lower on the list.

South New Jersey is underserved by transit.

I have no idea what this relationship is truly intended to be.

But it has been a SEPTA agenda for a while.

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