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View Poll Results: Should Philly look to add a third subway line?
Yes, it would be a good long-term goal 17 54.84%
Yes, get on it right away 11 35.48%
No, it's not necessary 1 3.23%
No, it's not feasible 2 6.45%
Wouldn't really matter either way 0 0%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-06-2018, 11:57 PM
 
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What would be the possibility of this looking into the future?
I think long-term it could benefit the city to add a third heavy rail line.
I've envisioned one spanning cross South Philly, intercepting the El at 30th Street potentially, then continuing into Northwest Philly where it terminates.
Logistics? Level of plausibility? Necessity?
What are y'alls thoughts?
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Old 10-07-2018, 12:42 AM
 
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I'd vote yes. I never take public transit. But the idea makes sense.
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Old 10-07-2018, 12:48 AM
 
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What would be the possibility of this looking into the future?
I think long-term it could benefit the city to add a third heavy rail line.
I've envisioned one spanning cross South Philly, intercepting the El at 30th Street potentially, then continuing into Northwest Philly where it terminates.
Logistics? Level of plausibility? Necessity?
What are y'alls thoughts?
If the funds don't exist to extend the BSL to the Navy Yard don't expect a 3rd subway.
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Old 10-07-2018, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Phila Pa
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I believe there was once talk of a subway traveling under the Schuylkill Expressway and Roosevelt Blvd all the way up to the far northeast.
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Old 10-07-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I believe there was once talk of a subway traveling under the Schuylkill Expressway and Roosevelt Blvd all the way up to the far northeast.
Looking at the subway plans from the early 20th Century will make you cry--there were plans for subways up Ridge and Henry to Roxborough, Germantown Ave, Roosevelt Blvd and more. Sigh.
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Old 10-07-2018, 01:32 PM
 
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Looking at the subway plans from the early 20th Century will make you cry--there were plans for subways up Ridge and Henry to Roxborough, Germantown Ave, Roosevelt Blvd and more. Sigh.
Where did see those plans? I'd love to see them.

Were they subways or Els?

Did George Widener help kill those plans(before 1912, of course) because of his trolley network?
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Old 10-07-2018, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Where did see those plans? I'd love to see them.

Were they subways or Els?

Did George Widener help kill those plans(before 1912, of course) because of his trolley network?
You can find the annual reports of the Commissioner of the Board of City Transit in the Government Publications section of the Free Library of Philadelphia.

The first one, dated 1913, contains Commissioner A. Merritt Taylor's recommendations for building a network of city-owned subways and elevated lines extending into every part of the city.

Widener didn't really have much say in the matter. His Union Traction Company had already acquired the Market Street Elevated Passenger Railway Company, which was given the franchise to build the city's first rapid transit line in 1902, and formed the Philadelphia Rapid Transit Company out of the combination.

The report did not envision the city operating the subways, so there would be a role for the PRT to play going forward. The main reason the City Councils voted to create a Department of City Transit and undertake a program of subway construction was their dissatisfaction at the slow pace of build-out for the Market Street subway-elevated (five years from start of construction to opening from 69th Street to City Hall, and another year to open the segment from there east to the Delaware River ferry terminals.

The original proposal envisioned a subway under Broad Street (elevated in its northern reaches and in an open cut in its southern) as the trunk of a multi-branched tree, with elevated extensions to the northeast and northwest; a loop subway in Center City would distribute and collect riders headed to and from the various destinations. A new Chestnut Street subway tunnel would add capacity to the Market Street one and include a branch to Southwest Philadelphia, while an elevated railway to Rhawn Street in Mayfair would head north, then northeast, from the existing eastern end of the Market Street subway. Another subway would run beneath the under-construction Ben Franklin Parkway to Fairmount, where it would surface and run on an elevated structure over 29th Street, then Ridge Avenue, to Roxborough.

This proposal would be tweaked and altered over the years that followed, but its basic elements remained constant. City Council approved it in 1915, and work on the elevated to Frankford and the loop subway began that same year. Work on the subway was halted two years later due to shortages of both material due to World War I and funds due to, well, due to this being Philadelphia. Work on the elevated continued; it would take seven years to complete it, longer even than it took to build the Market Street line. Work would not resume on the Broad Street trunk line until 1925, and by then, the loop subway had been removed in favor of the spur line down Ridge Avenue that got built. And so things have remained, with only minor changes, since then.
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Old 10-07-2018, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The original proposal envisioned a subway under Broad Street (elevated in its northern reaches and in an open cut in its southern) as the trunk of a multi-branched tree, with elevated extensions to the northeast and northwest; a loop subway in Center City would distribute and collect riders headed to and from the various destinations. A new Chestnut Street subway tunnel would add capacity to the Market Street one and include a branch to Southwest Philadelphia, while an elevated railway to Rhawn Street in Mayfair would head north, then northeast, from the existing eastern end of the Market Street subway. Another subway would run beneath the under-construction Ben Franklin Parkway to Fairmount, where it would surface and run on an elevated structure over 29th Street, then Ridge Avenue, to Roxborough.
The movement to bury the Broad Street line through North Philadelphia was to preserve the beauty of the neighborhood. Mary Channing Wister of Germantown, one of the founders of the Civic Club of Philadelphia (and wife and second cousin of author Owen Wister), led this effort.
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Old 10-07-2018, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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What would be the possibility of this looking into the future?
I think long-term it could benefit the city to add a third heavy rail line.
I've envisioned one spanning cross South Philly, intercepting the El at 30th Street potentially, then continuing into Northwest Philly where it terminates.
Logistics? Level of plausibility? Necessity?
What are y'alls thoughts?
Some Philadelphians have a problem for seeing things smaller than what it really is. Just because the line isn't run by SEPTA doesn't mean that it not legit. Philly has had 3 subway lines since the 1950's when the Locust Street subway was completed. Of course the Locust Street subway is now part of the PATCO Speedline but it is still a heavy rail rapid transit line just like the Broad Street and Market-Frankford Line.

https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org...levated-lines/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhPMU-4H9r8

Even SEPTA includes the PATCO on their transit map.



So the question you should really be asking is "Should Philly look to add a 4th subway line?
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Old 10-07-2018, 03:58 PM
 
Location: North Jackson
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So the question you should really be asking is "Should Philly look to add a 4th subway line?
We don't include the Patco line because this is a Philly board, and Patco ads no value to City residents. How many Philly residents are riding from 16th to 8th Street and back every day?
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