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Old 10-10-2019, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Good conversation.

Keep in mind, too, that the raw poverty rates calculated by the Census are not cost-of-living adjusted. So, you tell me with a straight face that a family of four living on, say, $30,000 per year isn't going to have it much harder in NYC as compared to Philadelphia as to day-to-day living...

Also, poverty rates include off-campus student households in their calculations. In a very college-heavy city like Philadelphia, clearly that's going to bump up/distort the numbers somewhat.

Fact of the matter is, even with its economically challenged pockets of note, the Philly region is much wealthier than most folks realize, and that includes the amount of wealth that has and continues to accumulate in/around the urban core (as I noted in a General US thread, what's most remarkable is that literally all of Philadelphia's household growth in recent years is in the $100K+ household income bracket).

In terms of "big money" US metros, Philadelphia is only surpassed by NYC, LA, Chicago, SF, DC and Boston in raw numbers. That's literally it (and it actually does better than LA on a per capita basis, despite that city's glamorous rep, and almost precisely as much per capita uber-wealth as Chicagoland).
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Old 10-11-2019, 08:04 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Good conversation.

Keep in mind, too, that the raw poverty rates calculated by the Census are not cost-of-living adjusted. So, you tell me with a straight face that a family of four living on, say, $30,000 per year isn't going to have it much harder in NYC as compared to Philadelphia as to day-to-day living...

Also, poverty rates include off-campus student households in their calculations. In a very college-heavy city like Philadelphia, clearly that's going to bump up/distort the numbers somewhat.

Fact of the matter is, even with its economically challenged pockets of note, the Philly region is much wealthier than most folks realize, and that includes the amount of wealth that has and continues to accumulate in/around the urban core (as I noted in a General US thread, what's most remarkable is that literally all of Philadelphia's household growth in recent years is in the $100K+ household income bracket).

In terms of "big money" US metros, Philadelphia is only surpassed by NYC, LA, Chicago, SF, DC and Boston in raw numbers. That's literally it (and it actually does better than LA on a per capita basis, despite that city's glamorous rep, and almost precisely as much per capita uber-wealth as Chicagoland).
And even when measuring the highest categories of wealth and county by county stats, the Philadelphia metro stacks up right with the other big cities, and actually surpasses both LA and Chicago is certain stats.

Other large cities like Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, etc. still do not have the economic power and wealth of the Philadelphia region (even though they have more people). NYC, LA, DC, San Fran, Boston are the top 5 in most metrics, then Chicago/Philadelphia.

For whatever reason the economic power and wealth of the Philadelphia region is either brushed over or ignored - Possibly because people only think of Philadelphia, OR confusion of Wilmington and Camden, when in reality the region, especially the PA suburban counties have been economic powerhouses for decades, most notably Montgomery and Chester Counties which consistently rank high in all metrics.

Finally, as you mentioned, Philadelphia (city) actually had one of the highest increases in $100k households since 2016, that is an extremely important demographic that the city is doing a good job at attracting.
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Old 10-11-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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This was the post that kyb01 was referring too...

"Wealth? In terms of wealth New York City, Boston, Washington DC and Chicago are on a whole nother level from Philly. Philly is just about as poor as a city can be, although I think cities like Detroit and Baltimore are definitely poorer"


People can create threads and post their opinions all they want, but posts like the above are blatantly false and clearly show that persons disdain for Philadelphia, and how uninformed they are, if that isn't an anti-Philadelphia post, then I don't know what is....

Don't act like you wouldn't respond to a post like that if it were Chicago instead of Philadelphia.
Funnily, DavePA said put him on ignore to someone else. I did a long time ago.
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Old 10-11-2019, 09:45 AM
 
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Funnily, DavePA said put him on ignore to someone else. I did a long time ago.
She Luvs me ..... the secret's out. Oh, and there is a post in the reopened Chicago vs Philly thread in the city vs city forum needing addressing. SHE WILL FLIP OUT. Cpomp won't like it either. Someone can tell her for me if I'm on official ignore.

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Old 10-11-2019, 10:04 AM
 
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Chicago is more representative of America than Philly..IMHO
How? The country was born in Philadelphia. That's 100% representative of America.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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Good conversation.

Keep in mind, too, that the raw poverty rates calculated by the Census are not cost-of-living adjusted. So, you tell me with a straight face that a family of four living on, say, $30,000 per year isn't going to have it much harder in NYC as compared to Philadelphia as to day-to-day living...

Also, poverty rates include off-campus student households in their calculations. In a very college-heavy city like Philadelphia, clearly that's going to bump up/distort the numbers somewhat.

Fact of the matter is, even with its economically challenged pockets of note, the Philly region is much wealthier than most folks realize, and that includes the amount of wealth that has and continues to accumulate in/around the urban core (as I noted in a General US thread, what's most remarkable is that literally all of Philadelphia's household growth in recent years is in the $100K+ household income bracket).

In terms of "big money" US metros, Philadelphia is only surpassed by NYC, LA, Chicago, SF, DC and Boston in raw numbers. That's literally it (and it actually does better than LA on a per capita basis, despite that city's glamorous rep, and almost precisely as much per capita uber-wealth as Chicagoland).
Since LA can't manage the homeless crisis there how does it go on with the "glamorous rep"?
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:18 AM
 
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And even when measuring the highest categories of wealth and county by county stats, the Philadelphia metro stacks up right with the other big cities, and actually surpasses both LA and Chicago is certain stats.

Other large cities like Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, etc. still do not have the economic power and wealth of the Philadelphia region (even though they have more people). NYC, LA, DC, San Fran, Boston are the top 5 in most metrics, then Chicago/Philadelphia.

For whatever reason the economic power and wealth of the Philadelphia region is either brushed over or ignored - Possibly because people only think of Philadelphia, OR confusion of Wilmington and Camden, when in reality the region, especially the PA suburban counties have been economic powerhouses for decades, most notably Montgomery and Chester Counties which consistently rank high in all metrics.

Finally, as you mentioned, Philadelphia (city) actually had one of the highest increases in $100k households since 2016, that is an extremely important demographic that the city is doing a good job at attracting.
Philadelphia always gets brushed over and/or ignored while at the same time the MSM( including the bunch who are hq'd here) will focus on Tyler Perry's very faux / tacky looking film studio complex in Atlanta.

Wilmington actually has some nice residential amenities right next to the Christiana River and the Amtrak station. I wouldn't lump it in with Camden.
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Philadelphia always gets brushed over and/or ignored while at the same time the MSM( including the bunch who are hq'd here) will focus on Tyler Perry's very faux / tacky looking film studio complex in Atlanta.

Wilmington actually has some nice residential amenities right next to the Christiana River and the Amtrak station. I wouldn't lump it in with Camden.
1) Not the mag I work for. Atlanta isn't Philadelphia.

2) We too give Delaware short shrift. But we don't confuse Wilmington for Camden.
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Old 10-12-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Levittown
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Pittsburgh is a great city with tons to do for a weekend visit. Beautiful architecture, museums and cultural institutions, restaurants, and some of the most beautiful topography of any city on the East coast.
My wife and I adore Pittsburgh (she hails from Erie, PA and considers it home away from home). But it really is nothing at all like Philly. The only part of Philly that even remotely resembles Pittsburgh is the Manayunk area and possibly Boathouse Row and Kelly, Lincoln and MLK Drives along the Schuylkill. Beyond that it is a completely different world.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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My wife and I adore Pittsburgh (she hails from Erie, PA and considers it home away from home). But it really is nothing at all like Philly. The only part of Philly that even remotely resembles Pittsburgh is the Manayunk area and possibly Boathouse Row and Kelly, Lincoln and MLK Drives along the Schuylkill. Beyond that it is a completely different world.
The poster you replied to tends to make easily refutable claims to which folks like you then reply with actual facts.

I like Pittsburgh because it is not like Philadelphia. It's quite charming in its own right.
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