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Old 08-01-2022, 09:26 AM
 
Location: South Philadelphia
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CRRC is also manufacturing our new Orange and Red Line trains but they are assembling the components at a plant in Springfield, MA. I do not know if SEPTA's vehicles are also being assembled at that plant or elsewhere in the US but at least in our case, fellow Americans have jobs at the Springfield plant (Springfield btw was a long downtrodden has-been city like Allentown, PA or Camden, NJ) so it's not all bad. Yeah Pullman Standard and Budd made cars that lasted in the past and we sorely miss them but let's at least be grateful for what we have at the moment.

I'm pretty sure the company goes by CRRC MA which the MA stands for Massachusetts. So to answer your question, yes, the SEPTA trains are being assembled at the same plant in Springfield.
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Old 08-03-2022, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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You can thank NAFTA





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The people across the state are paying a steep gasoline tax so the denizens of the Philly area can enjoy brand new Chinese designed and manufactured commuter railroad cars. Pennsylvania once had major rail car manufacturers like the Budd Company, American Car and Foundry (Berwick), Pressed Steel Car Company (Pittsburgh) and Pullman Standard Car Company (Butler). There are no American companies that have the wherewithal to manufacture subway car, passenger cars and commuter rail cars.



This is the result of free trade policies endorsed by the clowns in the US congress, that the hoi polloi keeps voting for.
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Old 08-04-2022, 05:21 PM
 
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I don't know why NAFTA specifically gets called out so much. It passed in 1994, most of our industries were already dead or dying.
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Old 08-06-2022, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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You can thank NAFTA
The North American Free Trade Agreement has nothing to do with railcars being manufactured in China, with which we have no free trade agreement (the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which the Obama administration worked on and the Trump administration walked away from, was meant to counter Chinese influence. The other TPP members went ahead and implemented it).

Perhaps we should lament the demise of railcar building in Canada as well. (PATCO's second order of railcars was built by Hawker-Siddeley Canada.). AFAIK, Mexico has never had a domestic railcar building industry.

BTW, I assume most of you recall that the Silverliner Vs were assembled in South Philadelphia, in a plant built by Hyundai Rotem of Korea in an effort for that company to capture a share of the US transit rail car market. I think you may also recall that the entire fleet was sidelined a few months after the cars entered service because cracks were found in the stabilizer bars. The company won only two other orders: one for MBTA commuter rail cars that fell so far behind schedule the MBTA canceled it, and one for cars for Denver's Regional Transportation District, where they run on the line from downtown Denver to Denver International Airport.

The first two problems sealed Hyundai Rotem's fate in the US.

The "Buy America" law mandates that final assembly of railcars take place in this country.
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Old 08-07-2022, 07:12 PM
 
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I think NAFTA has just become shorthand for any trade deal. Still, I am from the LV. We lost Mack Trucks not to Mexico or China, but to South Carolina. Bethlehem Steel lost to Japanese and European competition, not Mexico or China. So I don't solely and completely blame trade deals for our industrial decline. Truth is, we lost jobs to other parts of the country and to other industrialized nations.
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Old 08-12-2022, 04:51 AM
 
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My question is does SEPTA need "double decker" rail cars?

I know the lag time from order to delivery always means demand conditions can change.

But SEPTA could have gotten new cars that weren't "double-decker." Will they run fewer cars to carry the same number of people....versus a longer train?

Never was thrilled about taking public transit, even in childhood. And decades ago I was a SEPTA conductor on the Regional Rail line. But thankfully haven't had to step foot on any SEPTA vehicle in 40 years. And pray I never have to.

Every one's talking about where they were made -- but my question is are the regional trains sooooo crowded that these particular double-decker cars are needed? I don't recall that even in rush hour that trains were so packed you thought you were in Japan or anything like that. I recall buses and subway trains being more crowded that the rail cars.
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Old 08-12-2022, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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My question is does SEPTA need "double decker" rail cars?

I know the lag time from order to delivery always means demand conditions can change.

But SEPTA could have gotten new cars that weren't "double-decker." Will they run fewer cars to carry the same number of people....versus a longer train?

Never was thrilled about taking public transit, even in childhood. And decades ago I was a SEPTA conductor on the Regional Rail line. But thankfully haven't had to step foot on any SEPTA vehicle in 40 years. And pray I never have to.

Every one's talking about where they were made -- but my question is are the regional trains sooooo crowded that these particular double-decker cars are needed? I don't recall that even in rush hour that trains were so packed you thought you were in Japan or anything like that. I recall buses and subway trains being more crowded that the rail cars.
Given the way SEPTA is rethinking how Regional Rail can and ought to function, those double-deck passenger cars may prove useful down the road. (Hellloooooo, Sydney...)

I'm your opposite: SEPTA has been the way I get around this area for nearly 40 years.
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Old 08-13-2022, 08:22 AM
 
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Wow… thankful you’ve never had to…? Different strokes, I guess. Cars are the other biggest killer besides guns in the US.

Such a developed public transit system is a godsend compared to previous places I’ve lived. I’ve been very thankful to have stepped foot on Septa many times in the last year since moving here.
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