Median Household Income in the region. (Philadelphia, Lancaster: employment, quality of life, living)

[Tone509]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

I had it titled Philly burbs + Lehigh.

True but you also said that "it doesn't look like the PA burbs are holding up as well". Unless we have indeed absorbed Lehigh, Lancaster (and perhaps Berks) into the Philly/Wilmington CSA then they are all still stand alone as their own smaller metros.

A fairer comparison might be to include Cape May and Atlantic counties with that list. Along with Salem County, much of that area is leans rural away from the coast - not to mention Atlantic City's perennial struggles - I would wager that the median income would be similar to the lower totals you presented for PA.

That said, I'm not surprised that Philadelphia County came in dead last, although the difference from the next lowest county was rather striking. Then again, if Philly's income ever met or exceed a suburban county, then we'd likely have the equivalent of NYC, DC or SF where the affluent are increasing the only people who can afford to live in town.

[BPP1999]

Originally Posted by Tone509

True but you also said that "it doesn't look like the PA burbs are holding up as well".

That's because MR gets enjoyment from talking down on PA. He'll say he's just stating fact, but he gets enjoyment from this.

[MoorestownResident]

Originally Posted by Tone509

True but you also said that "it doesn't look like the PA burbs are holding up as well". Unless we have indeed absorbed Lehigh, Lancaster (and perhaps Berks) into the Philly/Wilmington CSA then they are all still stand alone as their own smaller metros.

A fairer comparison might be to include Cape May and Atlantic counties with that list. Along with Salem County, much of that area is leans rural away from the coast - not to mention Atlantic City's perennial struggles - I would wager that the median income would be similar to the lower totals you presented for PA.

That said, I'm not surprised that Philadelphia County came in dead last, although the difference from the next lowest county was rather striking. Then again, if Philly's income ever met or exceed a suburban county, then we'd likely have the equivalent of NYC, DC or SF where the affluent are increasing the only people who can afford to live in town.

Atlantic and Salem Counties median incomes are $56K and $55K, respectively. Think I had a type in there before. However, Atlantic is not in the Philly area, it is down the shore. Salem is loosely tied to Philly, really too far to commute and very rural. It is farming, blue collar predominently.

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by BPP1999

That's because MR gets enjoyment from talking down on PA. He'll say he's just stating fact, but he gets enjoyment from this.

This kid has outdone himself, making up his own census criteria now.Criteria based on anything goes if it makes South Jersey look good. Mercer County which is NOT PART of metro Philadlephia is part of it in Moorestown Residents world because it raises the median income avg for South Jersey. Lancaster + Lehigh Counties which definitely ARE NOT part of metro philadlephia get included in Moorestownresidents SE Pa census because they lower the median income for Pa suburbs.Unbelievable.

Chester County Pa 8th wealthiest county in USA population over 250k. Good work by them.

Chester-$83,146
Montgomery-$74,000
Burlington-$73,566
Gloucester-$70,881
Bucks-$70,655
Delaware-$60,232(Chester brings it down )
New Castle-$59,600
Camden-$59,288
Salem-$54,992

[Tone509]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

Atlantic and Salem Counties median incomes are $56K and $55K, respectively. Think I had a type in there before. However, Atlantic is not in the Philly area, it is down the shore. Salem is loosely tied to Philly, really too far to commute and very rural. It is farming, blue collar predominently.

Thank you for proving my point. Lancaster and Lehigh are as far removed from the Philly area as Atlantic and Salem.

[MoorestownResident]

Originally Posted by rainrock

This kid has outdone himself, making up his own census criteria now.Criteria based on anything goes if it makes South Jersey look good. Mercer County which is NOT PART of metro Philadlephia is part of it in Moorestown Residents world because it raises the median income avg for South Jersey. Lancaster + Lehigh Counties which definitely ARE NOT part of metro philadlephia get included in Moorestownresidents SE Pa census because they lower the median income for Pa suburbs.Unbelievable.

Chester County Pa 8th wealthiest county in USA population over 250k. Good work by them.

Chester-$83,146
Montgomery-$74,000
Burlington-$73,566
Gloucester-$70,881
Bucks-$70,655
Delaware-$60,232(Chester brings it down )
New Castle-$59,600
Camden-$59,288
Salem-$54,992

http://www.selectgreaterphiladelphia...P_Counties.pdf

Camden County includes $25,000 income of the city of camden, excluding that, the Top 4 counties in NJ including Mercer as part of the greater area (including Bucks in PA), and you have a very different picture.

Of course you probably won't admit you were wrong about what's going in the region, the numbers clearly show what is happening. Both in the Philly area and NJ at large. The poorest county in NJ is now in NORTH JERSEY

[BPP1999]

MR I hope that SJ will start to get more respect from the rest of the state. However, I can't see it ever catching up for the simple fact that there are hundreds of thousands of North Jersey people working in NYC, and I can't see that many people eventually deciding to move to SJ. Can you?

[MoorestownResident]

Bergen County $80,000
Burlington County $74,000

Nowhere in time were those two counties that close in income. People in NJ have been migrating South and West for years, however, the SJ economy is bringing high paying jobs, the largest employer in Burlington County is Lockheed Martin with its combat systems engineering headquarters in Moorestown. The list goes on and on. Unlike Philly/PA, smart zoning and growth initiatves are paying big dividends and luring the type of folks that want great schools, quality of life, access to the major cities.

[MoorestownResident]

You are also ignoring the fact that people are mobile today, they work from home or any other location. There's a growing group of NYC commuters living in Moorestown and surrounding towns. Some people only have to go into the office 2-3 times a week. So let me ask you, if you didn't HAVE to be there, would you rather be slepping around in Bergen County, Newark metro or Princeton, Medford, Moorestown, Haddonfield?

[BPP1999]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

Bergen County $80,000
Burlington County $74,000

Nowhere in time were those two counties that close in income. People in NJ have been migrating South and West for years, however, the SJ economy is bringing high paying jobs, the largest employer in Burlington County is Lockheed Martin with its combat systems engineering headquarters in Moorestown. The list goes on and on. Unlike Philly/PA, smart zoning and growth initiatves are paying big dividends and luring the type of folks that want great schools, quality of life, access to the major cities.

You become more delusional with every thread. From a planning/sprawl standpoint, NJ is a joke. NJ is the poster child for over-development, traffic congestion, and strip-mall sprawl. It's the quintessential highway-oriented bedroom suburb. For the record, it's North Jersey, not South Jersey, that has communities like Jersey City that have been recognized as smart-growth cities.

People leave NJ in droves to get a better quality of life. NJ has the largest out-migration of residents. If it weren't for immigrants, NJ's population would be tanking. Check the recent census reports.

People will always leave urban areas for rural ones; this is why outlying parts of Chester, Montgomery, and Bucks Counties are growing rapidly while inner-ring places are in decline. The same thing is happening in South Jersey where people are moving to more remote Burlington County locations. How is this smart growth? No one is arguing that PA is growing smartly (it's certainly not), but to listen to you quack on and on about how great NJ is is both humorous and somewhat perplexing.

I think you should explain your animosity toward PA to a therapist.