Median Household Income in the region. (Lancaster, Chester: how much, vs., suburbs)

[MoorestownResident]

They're moving out of north jersey, not south jersey. The zoning in SJ and PA burbs is much different, you are way behind the times on such things as open space preservation, your roads are in disrepair, you've got inane zoning on your main streets and your municipal services are terrible. It goes back to you get what you pay for, you know? This is from people that have lived in both places - NOT just my opinion.

And one more thing - PA is heavily unionized. Watch what happens over the next several years as Rendell fights to pay for teachers pensions and rising cost of healthcare. He's already got selling the PA turnpike as a way to deal with it. PA's policies are so backward that in terms of median age it is one of the oldest states in the nation. That's has a boatload of implications. PA is dying state, quite literally.

[BPP1999]

PA is considered a leader in open space and farmland preservation: this is largely a rural state, remember?

You live in a state where the governor was seriously considering raising the tolls, what, 1600%?

Classic MoorestownResident passive-aggressive comment: "It goes back to you get what you pay for." Go away, troll. You're just trying to get people riled up.

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

People in NJ have been migrating South and West for years,

Hate to burst your bubble but Nearly all of South jerseys growth is coming from within the region.People are reshuffling in the metro most likely due to employment positioning/upward mobility.

Where Gloucester County new residents came from 2000-2005

Camden-23,056
Philadelphia-7244
Burlington-4480
Delaware-2599
Salem-2484
Cumberland-2238
Atlantic-2106
Bucks-906
Montgomery-841
New Castle-806

Where new residents to Burlington County came from 2000-2005

Camden-21,476
Mercer-12,544
Philadelphia-7,903
Middlesex-5380
Ocean-3799
Bucks-3631
Gloucester-3015

Camden County

Burlington-20,575
Gloucester-16,159
Philadelphia-14,912
Atlantic-3,943
Delaware-1,975
Bucks-1,646
Montgomery-1,605

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

however, the SJ economy is bringing high paying jobs, the largest employer in Burlington County is Lockheed Martin with its combat systems engineering headquarters in Moorestown. The list goes on and on. Unlike Philly/PA, smart zoning and growth initiatves are paying big dividends and luring the type of folks that want great schools, quality of life, access to the major cities.

There are 30 Fortune 500 companies in the 4 PA counties. There is 1 or 2 in South Jersey. The high paying jobs are mostly on this side of the river.

[MoorestownResident]

Thanks for making my points. Middlesex, Mercer et al into deeper south jersey.

Yeah the list of Fortune 500 companies in PA is very impressive: Rite Aid (5th largest in PA), Pep Boys, US Steel et al. another reason why PA ranks so low nationally in household income.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...states/PA.html

NJ, on the other hand,

1. Johnson & Johnson, 2. Medco 3. Honeywell 4. Prudential 5. Merck

In South Jersey:

Campbell's Soup, NRG Energy, Rockwell Holdings, Commerce Bank, Burlington Coat Factory, PHH Mortgage, Church & Dwight, Covance

[MoorestownResident]

South Jersey, an Economic Empire, from 1998, a pretty good read:

South Jersey, an economic empire | New Jersey Business | Find Articles at BNET

[Tone509]

We're getting into an unneccessary spitting contest here. I may have inadvertenly lobbed one myself in the name of clarifying the definition of metros.

For the record, I have nothing against South Jersey. In fact, if I ever were to return to the Philly area, I might consider living somewhere on the PATCO line if I were working in Center City. I would encourage those who are interested in South Jersey to also look at the New Jersey forum as well.

In the meantime, let's get back on topic with constructive thoughts.

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

Thanks for making my points. Middlesex, Mercer et al into deeper south jersey.

Your math skills are a little rusty, or perhaps your perception and reasoning skills are amiss but that above list wasnt meant to help your argument about "People in NJ have been migrating South + West for years.Unless you think 9,179 people out of 7,500,000 North Jersyans are everybody.

94% of the people who relocated to Burlington,Gloucester and Camden between 2000-2005 came from metro Philadelphia. As BPP said its a repositioning of the populace within the region as more upwardly mobile people head for greener pasture. In the Pa burbs its N +W. In South Jersey burbs its S + E.

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

Yeah the list of Fortune 500 companies in PA is very impressive: Rite Aid (5th largest in PA), Pep Boys, US Steel et al. another reason why PA ranks so low nationally in household income.

Your usual routine, nothing new here. Boast about how South Jersey is the main economic cog of metro Philadlephia which quickly gets shredded by the facts and truth. Then you rely on North Jersey to bail you out in a battle of states with Pa..

You can keep trying to convince yourself that South Jersey is more important than it actually is and I will keep presenting facts that make you look like pretty foolish.


Forbes Fortune 500 companies 2006.

FORTUNE 500 2006: States

Metro Philadlephia

Pennsylvania
State Rank Company Rank Revenues
($ millions) City
1 AmerisourceBergen 27 54,589.6 Chesterbrook
2 Sunoco 66 31,176.0 Philadelphia
3 Comcast 94 22,255.0 Philadelphia
5 Cigna 130 16,684.0 Philadelphia
7 Aramark 215 10,963.4 Philadelphia
10 Air Products & Chem. 282 8,143.5
11 Rohm & Haas 286 7,994.0 Philadelphia
13 Crown Holdings 321 6,908.0 Philadelphia
14 PPL 350 6,219.0
15 Toll Brothers 370 5,793.4 Horsham
16 Unisys 372 5,758.7 Blue Bell
18 Lincoln National 396 5,487.9 Philadelphia
20 Jones Apparel Group 425 5,074.2 Bristol
21 UGI 436 4,888.7 King of Prussia
24 Ikon Office Solutions 469 4,397.9 Malvern
25 Universal Health Svcs. 485 4,101.4 King of Prussia
26 SunGard Data Systems Wayne

South Jersey

Campbell Soup 302 7,548.0 Camden

[MoorestownResident]

And yet NJ median income is higher than Phillly/PA's in the greater area.

NJ

1. Camden County - 80K+ excluding Camden - statistically factual.
2. Burlington County - 74K
3. Gloucester County - 71K
4. Mercer County - 70K

Average - 74K

PA

Chester 83K
Montgomery 74K
Bucks 71K
Delaware 60K

Average 72K

The average gets more disparity the lower you go, which makes sense.

How is this possible? Because the Fortune 500 in NJ have operations in SJ and all over the state. The NJ economy is more diverse and white collar than its PA counterparts. Heavily unionized PA keeps wages and benefits up while seniors are forced to stay in state. Meanwhile, young professionals move out in search of opportunity. That's the day of reckoning for PA.

[pcity]

If you're going to take Camden out of Camden County, shouldn't you also take Chester out of Delaware County and possibly Norristown out of Montgomery County? It doesn't seem fair to take the lowest income part of Camden County out, but leave the lowest parts of the PA counties in. I would imagine Delaware County would be considerably higher were it not for Chester.

[StuckPA]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

South Jersey

Burlington $74,000 +8% increase from 2006
Gloucester $71,000, huge increase from 2006
Mercer $70,000
Camden $60,000 (City of Camden drags down average)
Cape May $52,000


PA – Philly burbs + Lehigh

Chester $83,000
Montgomery $74,000
Bucks $71,000
Delaware $60,000
Lancaster $52,000
Lehigh $52,000
Philadelphia $35,000

Shute I can probably move out of the ghetto of Philly now seeing as how just over the bridge in NJ the income is double!