Median Household Income in the region.

[StuckPA]

Originally Posted by BPP1999

NJ has grown as a result of being a bedroom community for NYC and Philadelphia. Has been, and will continue to be. Talk about no MOXY.

This explains the general lack of culture (colleges and universities, museums, etc.) and also helps explain why most of NJ is concrete sprawl and highways. Talk about no SUBSTANCE. Plenty of pizza places, bagel places, and shopping centers, but no sense of place or purpose in the grander scheme of things.

And Philadelphia has to live in the shadows as being second rate to NYC and
6th city down so we all have our place on the food chain.

As far as 'culture' NJ has got plenty of colleges that produce plenty of successful people as well,and as for museums what's that? Fluff as far as I'm concerned,what kind of 'culture' comes from that anyway? Yea the Mutter museum with human oddities is really cultural
NJ is also home to many corporate headquarters,not least the pharmaceutical companies where you get all your medications to 'benefit your older Pennsylvanians'.

'Hoagie' places,cheesesteak places,and sprawling malls also has SEPA so it's pretty much even.

[MoorestownResident]

Originally Posted by BPP1999

NJ has grown as a result of being a bedroom community for NYC and Philadelphia. Has been, and will continue to be. Talk about no MOXY.

This explains the general lack of culture (colleges and universities, museums, etc.) and also helps explain why most of NJ is concrete sprawl and highways. Talk about no SUBSTANCE. Plenty of pizza places, bagel places, and shopping centers, but no sense of place or purpose in the grander scheme of things.

From Money Magazine: Job Growth 2000-2007

Reflecting the true unionized and blue collar nature of PA versus NJ, see the dramatic difference in job growth in the two areas with growth in Moorestown double the next closest town in PA.

Two facts - strong job growth reflects the true white collar, diversified local economy. As a result, reported income of the high growth areas is dramatically understated.

South Jersey – job growth 2000-2007

1. Moorestown 22%
2. Marlton 20%
3. Gloucester 13%
4. Medford 13%
5. Mount Laurel 12%

PA Burbs – job growth 2000-2007 - listed at random.

1. Abington 7%
2. Lower Merion 7%
3. Norristown 5%
4. Radnor 11%
5. Levittown 0%
6. Allentown 7%
7. Drexel Hill 4%

[MoorestownResident]

Originally Posted by StuckPA

And Philadelphia has to live in the shadows as being second rate to NYC and
6th city down so we all have our place on the food chain.

As far as 'culture' NJ has got plenty of colleges that produce plenty of successful people as well,and as for museums what's that? Fluff as far as I'm concerned,what kind of 'culture' comes from that anyway? Yea the Mutter museum with human oddities is really cultural
NJ is also home to many corporate headquarters,not least the pharmaceutical companies where you get all your medications to 'benefit your older Pennsylvanians'.

'Hoagie' places,cheesesteak places,and sprawling malls also has SEPA so it's pretty much even.

Listen I think it's great SJ is a bedroom community for Philly, it's a clear selling point. It's also becoming a larger bedroom community for northern NJ and NYC commuters. They want quality of life and access to the shore, Philly, Princeton, AC, Cape May, etc.

Comparing NJ to PA is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford. It's just no competition.

[MoorestownResident]

Originally Posted by BPP1999

No, I agreed that NJ is clearly more white-collar. I'm saying no one should argue that point. My point was that SE PA is where the white collar jobs are in terms of metro Philly.

Why haven't you left PA yet? You've been pissing and moaning for a long time now.

By the way, in case MoorestownResident or StuckPA haven't realized, there's lots of pro-PA people who readily point out Pennsylvania's faults. I'm one of them (inadequate infrastructure, ridiculous state store system and alcoholic beverage rules, small-minded politicians, corrupt self-serving unions). What I'm sick of is people who are so lopsided in their thinking that they either can't see any positives or who post and attempt to pass off opinion as fact.

I have no problems with that attitude. It's people like Rocker than need an attitude adjustment. PA will never be NJ, no matter how you look at it. It will be what it is - an affordable destination for families looking to escape the hustle and bustle of more hardcore towns in higher tax states. And there's nothing wrong with that. Sure you have your old money in towns on the Main Line but those glitzy Main Line days are over. As Stuck already posted, it's old money now, not new money moving in. By comparison, the growth in Moorestown in the past 5-10 years has been staggering and little of that new wealth is in the data. That would include one of the largest estates in the country just recently completed along with scores of million+ homes built in the last few years. The point is, the SJ economy is more diverse and seeing great in-migration of wealth from all four corners of the northeast. But SJ has more access to amenties, NYC, the shore and other points of interest. It is what it is.

[StuckPA]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

Reflecting the true unionized and blue collar nature of PA versus NJ, see the dramatic difference in job growth in the two areas with growth in Moorestown double the next closest town in PA.

Besides that,NJ has always had a decent economy. That's why the place is the most densely populated state,people are always moving in.
That was proven to me when I got to Philly in 2003 and couldn't find a job that paid over $7.50 an hour. I couldn't believe it,I may have just as well been back in VA where it was the same and been in a much better environment to boot!
So I forewent one of the few advantages of being in the city- taking public transpo to work rather than beat up my car if I didn't have to.
Well that didn't happen and I ended up working in NJ anyway where I got offered the better wages I always had.

[Bwads31]

Originally Posted by StuckPA

I don't doubt this region is doing well,but that would be about it. Even though this part of the forum is the Philadelphia region,I'm not going to be as closed minded and cut off as most of it's residents and I will actually include the rest of the state in the facts & figures.

This is about the Phialdelphia region and that is why I talked about THAT REGION ONLY and NOT the rest of the state.

[MoorestownResident]

Originally Posted by StuckPA

Besides that,NJ has always had a decent economy. That's why the place is the most densely populated state,people are always moving in.
That was proven to me when I got to Philly in 2003 and couldn't find a job that paid over $7.50 an hour. I couldn't believe it,I may have just as well been back in VA where it was the same and been in a much better environment to boot!
So I forewent one of the few advantages of being in the city- taking public transpo to work rather than beat up my car if I didn't have to.
Well that didn't happen and I ended up working in NJ anyway where I got offered the better wages I always had.

NJ has a tremendously diversified white collar service economy and plenty of skilled, trained/educated labor. PA has a strong core in center city and then a smattering out in the corporate offices in the burbs, however, even the reputable firms in the PA region like Vanguard don't pay well. The tradeoff is lower taxes and cost of living in general. You ask anyone who has lived in PA and NJ what the differences in the two states are and you will hear exactly my points. People think Manyunk is a 'nice town', it's garbage compared to most towns in NJ.

[Bwads31]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

I have no problems with that attitude. It's people like Rocker than need an attitude adjustment. PA will never be NJ, no matter how you look at it. It will be what it is - an affordable destination for families looking to escape the hustle and bustle of more hardcore towns in higher tax states. And there's nothing wrong with that. Sure you have your old money in towns on the Main Line but those glitzy Main Line days are over. As Stuck already posted, it's old money now, not new money moving in. By comparison, the growth in Moorestown in the past 5-10 years has been staggering and little of that new wealth is in the data. That would include one of the largest estates in the country just recently completed along with scores of million+ homes built in the last few years. The point is, the SJ economy is more diverse and seeing great in-migration of wealth from all four corners of the northeast. But SJ has more access to amenties, NYC, the shore and other points of interest. It is what it is.

Yeah PA just sucks so why don't you just post on NJ's board....

[Tone509]

Everyone seems to have made their points, whether their information is anecdotal or substantiated. Since we can not amicably agree to disagree, it may be best just to call it a day.

This thread is closed.