Philly vs NYC (Pittsburgh, Prospect Park, Prospect: hotels, income, living)

[AmeriKenArtist]

Manhattan is about 23 square miles with a population of over one million, six hundred thousand! As was mentioned...apples and oranges.

[Dangerous-Boy]

manhatten also has russ and daughters! best smoked salmon ever!

[AmeriKenArtist]

Not far from Katz!

[ajaxrasputin]

Originally Posted by pittsteelerfan

I completely disagree with your statement that "Pittsburgh'ers are not as outspoken". Pittsburgh, is by far, still a 'working class' city. The 'educated class', will ALWAYS be less "outspoken" compared to the 'blue collar' types. Just look at some of Pittsburgh's famous residents. Does Mike Ditka seem like he'd hide what he was thinking? Or how about Dennis Miller? You think Micheal Keaton would bite his lips?

You can preach the differences all you want, Philly is a BIG Pittsburgh. It definitely has a MUCH LARGER concentration of wealthy residents, that I agree. But the 'average' guy in South Philly, ain't much different than a guy who was born and raised on the Northside of Pittsburgh.

P.S. How many of those ex-Ny'ers have been to Chicago? Many of them after seeing Chicago, might change their mind about Philly. I just don't see the comparisions at all. The look and feel between Philly and NYC are so different to me.

I don't believe that listing a handful of people who became celebrities from a respective metro is indicative of a metro's outspoken or underspoken tendencies. My assertion is, compared to the other more coastal Northeastern cities, Pittsburgh is definitely more laid back and yes, "underspoken." This is something you determine from street level, not from afar by observing select celebrities from your area. Pittsburgh however, may be outspoken when comparing it to Indianapolis for all I know. Haven't spent enough time in Indy to accurately say.

You can repeat the line all you like that "Philly is a big Pittsburgh." That is fine. Unfortunately, repeating something over and over doesn't make it accurate. I don't recall anything you've posted that demonstrates how they are the same besides some arbitrary statements. Contrarily, I've already listed many differences - demographics, pace of life, size, topography, culture, accent, etc. These differences are quite drastic and verifiable. If you had listed things that proved your assertion, maybe your assertion wouldn't be dismissed as inaccurate so quickly.

The average blue collar guy in South Philly is a lot more like the average blue collar guy in Brooklyn than Pitt. That's a subjective comparison, but I find it to be true.

Anyway, somehow Pittsburgh has become a point of debate in this thread. I responded to those assertions since I found them somewhat bizarre and quite a leap from reality. The original poster simply wanted to know the +'s/-'s of moving to either NYC/Philly:

-money will go farther in Philly.
-New York's nightlife is without question better (better than just about anywhere in the US).
-Crime is bad in Philadelphia however it is typically confined to a few large swaths that you would unlikely be venturing to. Crime patterns in New York can be described similarly, though crime is not as much of an issue on the whole as it is in Philly.
-As far as getting a job in either city... depends on your resume/qualifications.

[pittsteelerfan]

Originally Posted by ajaxrasputin

I don't believe that listing a handful of people who became celebrities from a respective metro is indicative of a metro's outspoken or underspoken tendencies. My assertion is, compared to the other more coastal Northeastern cities, Pittsburgh is definitely more laid back and yes, "underspoken." This is something you determine from street level, not from afar by observing select celebrities from your area. Pittsburgh however, may be outspoken when comparing it to Indianapolis for all I know. Haven't spent enough time in Indy to accurately say.

You can repeat the line all you like that "Philly is a big Pittsburgh." That is fine. Unfortunately, repeating something over and over doesn't make it accurate. I don't recall anything you've posted that demonstrates how they are the same besides some arbitrary statements. Contrarily, I've already listed many differences - demographics, pace of life, size, topography, culture, accent, etc. These differences are quite drastic and verifiable. If you had listed things that proved your assertion, maybe your assertion wouldn't be dismissed as inaccurate so quickly.

The average blue collar guy in South Philly is a lot more like the average blue collar guy in Brooklyn than Pitt. That's a subjective comparison, but I find it to be true.

Anyway, somehow Pittsburgh has become a point of debate in this thread. I responded to those assertions since I found them somewhat bizarre and quite a leap from reality. The original poster simply wanted to know the +'s/-'s of moving to either NYC/Philly:

-money will go farther in Philly.
-New York's nightlife is without question better (better than just about anywhere in the US).
-Crime is bad in Philadelphia however it is typically confined to a few large swaths that you would unlikely be venturing to. Crime patterns in New York can be described similarly, though crime is not as much of an issue on the whole as it is in Philly.
-As far as getting a job in either city... depends on your resume/qualifications.

How else could I show an examples of people being "outspoken"? I could list a bunch of guys that I used to loaf with, but would good would that do? Ex-Steeler coach, Bill Cowher is ANOTHER born and bread Pittsburgh'er. People can get an idea about a city from celebrities, an idea mind you. Mike Ditka and Bill Cowher had 'infamous' tempers and are known for being "outspoken", and I doubt they were in any-way-shape or form "passive" or not "outspoken" when growing up in Pittburgh.

I grew up loafing on the "streets", this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. What, are you trying to compare some yuppie Center City attorney in Philly, as being MORE "outspoken", than some guy who's loafing on a street corner in Pittsburgh?

I doubt that Micheal Keaton or Dennis Miller were 'tough guys', but I also doubt that they keep their mouths shut! Their witty and smart As$ humor, was crafted over years from being "outspoken"!

Accent? What, you think Philadelphian's sound like Ny'ers now?.... Accents vary around the 5 boroughs, let alone trying to compare them with Philly! You can't tell the difference between a guy from Brooklyn with a guy from Queens? I sure can!.....

A blue collar guy from Philly, is more like a blue collar guy from Brooklyn? Don't think so, in fact, I know so! See, I'm a union carpenter, and worked with guys from both cities. The Philadelphian is MORE like the Pittsburgh'er than the Brooklyn guy! And please with that "culture" reference. Blue collar guys the country over, ain't into "culture" for the most part! A garbage man from Cleveland enjoys the opera, about as much as a garbage man from Brooklyn would!

[juniperbleu]

Originally Posted by pittsteelerfan

Accent? What, you think Philadelphian's sound like Ny'ers now?.... Accents vary around the 5 boroughs, let alone trying to compare them with Philly! You can't tell the difference between a guy from Brooklyn with a guy from Queens? I sure can!.....

Where did he say the accent is the same? Sure, there can be some very slight similarities (in college my friends from Virginia said I had a NY-ish accent......but they also thought my friend from CT did, so they considered just about anyone who spoke quickly with a northern accent to be "New York"), but for the most part it's a distinct accent. I don't really get where you're saying that Philadelphians are saying that Philly is exactly like New York City. I've never heard anyone argue that, and most Philly/NY comparisons are often made by displaced New Yorkers.

Finally, nothing against Pittsburgh, but it really has nothing to do with this thread. The person is debating between Philadelphia and New York, not Pittsburgh, so I don't see the relevance.

[ajaxrasputin]

Originally Posted by pittsteelerfan

How else could I show an examples of people being "outspoken"? I could list a bunch of guys that I used to loaf with, but would good would that do? Ex-Steeler coach, Bill Cowher is ANOTHER born and bread Pittsburgh'er. People can get an idea about a city from celebrities, an idea mind you. Mike Ditka and Bill Cowher had 'infamous' tempers and are known for being "outspoken", and I doubt they were in any-way-shape or form "passive" or not "outspoken" when growing up in Pittburgh.

I grew up loafing on the "streets", this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. What, are you trying to compare some yuppie Center City attorney in Philly, as being MORE "outspoken", than some guy who's loafing on a street corner in Pittsburgh?

I doubt that Micheal Keaton or Dennis Miller were 'tough guys', but I also doubt that they keep their mouths shut! Their witty and smart As$ humor, was crafted over years from being "outspoken"!

Accent? What, you think Philadelphian's sound like Ny'ers now?.... Accents vary around the 5 boroughs, let alone trying to compare them with Philly! You can't tell the difference between a guy from Brooklyn with a guy from Queens? I sure can!.....

A blue collar guy from Philly, is more like a blue collar guy from Brooklyn? Don't think so, in fact, I know so! See, I'm a union carpenter, and worked with guys from both cities. The Philadelphian is MORE like the Pittsburgh'er than the Brooklyn guy! And please with that "culture" reference. Blue collar guys the country over, ain't into "culture" for the most part! A garbage man from Cleveland enjoys the opera, about as much as a garbage man from Brooklyn would!

Okay, I think I'm just about done with this ridiculous argument. Again, you can continue to try to convince people that Pittsburgh is merely a smaller version of Philadelphia; and most people will continue to disagree with you. It doesn't really matter either way.

If you read my previous post accurately you would have understood the following:

** I merely stated that referring to TV personalities isn't a barometer for a given city's outspoken/underspoken nature. Nothing more. One who spends quality time in blue collar neighborhoods in each city will clearly see the significant difference in overall outspokenness.

** I have no idea how you inferred that I was speaking of a Philadelphia attorney or yuppie.

** Your reference to Dennis Miller proves nothing. Terry Bradshaw is quite outspoken and was born in Shreveport Louisiana. Does that somehow indicate that Shreveporters are outspoken the way that the East Coast cities people are? That's absurd.

** I'm not aware of ever stating that Philadelphian's "sound" like NY'ers. Please point to where I stated or implied that. I did however state that a Philadelphia accent and (dialect) sounds nothing like a Pittsburgh accent. Furthermore, I used to live on 85th st in Jackson Heights Queens. I'm fully aware of the accents in New York City. Each borough doesn't have it's own designated accent. Yes, there can be differences here and there which were more drastic years ago. However, most of the time, the differences in accents can be attributed to different ethnic enclaves which settled in each borough, Jewish, Italian, Irish sections etc. It sounds to me like that you are regurgitating some of this stuff out of a text book or something.

** My "culture" reference was mainly referring to the diversity Philly has over Pittsburgh in terms of theatre, fine arts, culinary, music etc. Once again, if you read my post relatively closely, I never suggested that blue collar guys are necessarily into those things as you somehow inferred. Philly is way more diverse. Also, I can't help you if you think that the street culture in Philly and Pittsburgh are the same.

Since you have solidified your belief that Philly/Pitt are essentially the same, you may want to create a poll to see how many people agree with your rhetorical argument.

[pittsteelerfan]

Originally Posted by ajaxrasputin

Okay, I think I'm just about done with this ridiculous argument. Again, you can continue to try to convince people that Pittsburgh is merely a smaller version of Philadelphia; and most people will continue to disagree with you. It doesn't really matter either way.

If you read my previous post accurately you would have understood the following:

** I merely stated that referring to TV personalities isn't a barometer for a given city's outspoken/underspoken nature. Nothing more. One who spends quality time in blue collar neighborhoods in each city will clearly see the significant difference in overall outspokenness.

** I have no idea how you inferred that I was speaking of a Philadelphia attorney or yuppie.

** Your reference to Dennis Miller proves nothing. Terry Bradshaw is quite outspoken and was born in Shreveport Louisiana. Does that somehow indicate that Shreveporters are outspoken the way that the East Coast cities people are? That's absurd.

** I'm not aware of ever stating that Philadelphian's "sound" like NY'ers. Please point to where I stated or implied that. I did however state that a Philadelphia accent and (dialect) sounds nothing like a Pittsburgh accent. Furthermore, I used to live on 85th st in Jackson Heights Queens. I'm fully aware of the accents in New York City. Each borough doesn't have it's own designated accent. Yes, there can be differences here and there which were more drastic years ago. However, most of the time, the differences in accents can be attributed to different ethnic enclaves which settled in each borough, Jewish, Italian, Irish sections etc. It sounds to me like that you are regurgitating some of this stuff out of a text book or something.

** My "culture" reference was mainly referring to the diversity Philly has over Pittsburgh in terms of theatre, fine arts, culinary, music etc. Once again, if you read my post relatively closely, I never suggested that blue collar guys are necessarily into those things as you somehow inferred. Philly is way more diverse. Also, I can't help you if you think that the street culture in Philly and Pittsburgh are the same.

Since you have solidified your belief that Philly/Pitt are essentially the same, you may want to create a poll to see how many people agree with your rhetorical argument.

Terry Bradshaw? lol lol lol Outspoken? Maybe in a kind and gentle way. But certainly doesn't have a 'sharp' tongue like Dennis Miller!

I lived in Philly, along with NYC. My opinon stands!

[Dangerous-Boy]

Originally Posted by AmeriKenArtist

Not far from Katz!

what's katz?

[ilovephillyandcars]

pittsteelerfan, I am also a Steelers fan who happens to live in Philly for over 16 years that moved from a HUGE city called London. I could surely attest to you that Philly is no where near BIG Pittsburgh feel. I don't think you've been around. My wife's family is from Edison, NJ area which by the way is not 7-10 miles from NYC limits even if you include Staten Island which is towards the south of all the boroughs. It is more than 15-20 miles away. My wife's & her siblings are NYC people since they grew up there for over 20 yrs and they think Philly has a small NY vibe. If they & many others on this post think that then how can it possibly be a BIG Burgh? I think you r just saying that for the hell of it or maybe ur upset that u r stuck over there in such a desolate area where there seems to be no signs of hope. Sorry dude, I have nothing against Pitt. & hope all the best for it to rise like it used to over 50 yrs ago.