Traffic in the Philly area vs Northern NJ? (2009, city hall)

[subwayfan]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

It's all relative. I can be in Manhattan from Moorestown in one hour and 40 minutes. Not something I'd do everyday for sure, but I'd do it a couple times a week, if needed. Lots of people in NYC have flex time and can work from home. Be in the office 2-3 times a week. The typical commute to NYC is well over an hour and even 2 hours is not uncommon. It's doable. There are people in SJ commuting to NYC full time.

And people commute and telecommute from SE PA into NY the same way. No superior time saving advantage really then.

[MoorestownResident]

Whatever, dude, the point is I have easier and better access in SJ. The location is better, the mass transit and highway system is better. You can disagree but you will not convince me that opportunities from PA are the same.

[BPP1999]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

It's horrible. I got terribly lost once in PA and I was in close proximity to where I wanted to be but there were no signs at all. Like in NJ, you will frequently see GSP or NJTP signs on adjacent roads or mileage signs, even 5-15 miles away. You rarely see this in PA, it's like good luck if you are not from the area, have fun!

You're just quacking about stuff at this point. You have no idea what you are talking about. There's signs directing to the PA Turnpike in Chestnut Hill, which is 7 miles away. There's signs in Norristown directing to the PA Turnpike, which is 5 miles away. There's even a sign for the Tacony-Palmyra Bridge on PA-73 out in Gilbertsville, which is about 25 miles west of the bridge. Just because you got lost doesn't mean the entire state is poorly marked.

[MoorestownResident]

LOL, wow. I didn't mean literally no signs. Do yourself a favor and drive the entire length of the NJTP and then come talk to me about PA's. The NJTP, BTW, car and truck lanes are being widened to account for growth in SJ. It happened much too late but it is still happening. That's why NJ is a top-tier state, progressive state.

[marchawg]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

I don't understand your other points. Camden has nothing to do with South Jersey, it is much more tied to Philly and the Delaware waterfront. The towns around Camden, like Collingswood, Haddon Twp, Haddonfield on the Patco train line are all walkable and desirable towns. Haddon Heights is another fairly walkable town. I thought you were living in Hackensack that was the reason for my post.

As for sprawl, there's just as much in PA as there is in NJ. Bucks County is nothing but sprawl, the north and western Philly burbs basically the same. The sprawl now pushes out to Lancaster which is a dump and the Poconos in the other direction which is now also a dump. What you guys don't understand is NJ deals with its traffic, transportation structure and growth issues, PA is not setup for dealing with any of it. That's part of a the shtick of living in a low tax state.

I lived in Hackensack up until about 6 months ago. It was actually really nice in spots (we lived on the Maywood border), but the congestion was just unbearable, so we had to move. I'll check out Haddonfield and Collingswood like you suggested. I don't really know anything about Camden, so forgive the ignorance there.

As far as Bucks County, I'm not really terribly familiar with it if you want to know the truth. PA is just so much larger than NJ, so I guess it's easier for me to see the overall rural nature of it rather than the sprawl around Philly. I know some of the Poconos areas you're referring to, and it's pretty sad to see it turning that way. Hopefully with the economy as poor as it is, things will grind to a halt as far as that's concerned. The poconos used to be a really nice area to visit.

All that said, I'm just looking for a laid back lifestyle with easy commutes and easy drives. This area might not be the best to look for that, but I figure it's worth a shot to check out.

[MoorestownResident]

No offense but SJ is considerably better than Hackensack. I wouldn't hesitate to look around at the towns I mentioned. It really just depends what the purpose of the move is. You'll find something suitable in the Philly region.

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by MoorestownResident

Whatever, dude, the point is I have easier and better access in SJ. The location is better, the mass transit and highway system is better. You can disagree but you will not convince me that opportunities from PA are the same.

Unfortunately South Jersey needs good transportation routes as it has to rely on other regions such as Center City,Philly NW burbs,Central and North Jersey for corporate employment. On the otherhand the Pa burbs have their own extensive network of professional + corporate affairs.

In regards to Philadephia metro office space.

The PA burbs account for 42%. Center City 38%.South jersey 12%.Del 8%.

[Tone509]

Good afternoon.

[DanceOfDays]

To say that the PA side of suburban Philly doesn't have have developed office space or employment opportunities is not only an opinion, but a wrong one. The sad fact is that a lot of the recent growth in the past 10 years has been in King of Prussia and even further outward into places like Collegeville, (GlaxoSmithKline), or Lansdale (Merck), or other suburban towns quite a ways from the city. With the tax incentives being as they are, and the patterns of sprawl and automobile dependency that form out this way, it's not hard to see how or why.

[MoorestownResident]

Over the past 20 years, Mount Laurel, NJ has been the most significant corporate/office market in the Philly region. There are approximately 30 hotels in Mount Laurel alone.