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Old 05-26-2007, 05:06 PM
 
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Allentown is 60 miles from Philadelphia, no train connects them. Except for the Eagles and die hard commuters, I don't think they really "bump" up against each other.
Get on 309 and drive, you will find more-or-less a continous urbanized area from Philly to Allentown.

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Old 05-26-2007, 06:55 PM
 
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or less. There are big gaps from Hatfield North. A business here and there, strip shopping centers in Quakertown then more businesses here and there and then a couple more shopping centers. Not ubanized. Urbanized is city (urban), suburban is areas surounding cities mostly made up of developments and McMansions. And then there are towns with neighborhoods and that is what I see North of Hatfield.

I understand what you are saying zip, but you are not using the correct adjective. Unless there are skyscrapers and city stuff, it's not urban. Perhaps you mean developed. Oh well, it's not as if this forum is going to decide the next wikepedia definition of the Philadelphia region.
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Old 05-27-2007, 10:40 AM
 
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I'm using the 2000 census definition of urbanized area...not sure what you're using.

NW Philadelphia urbanized area
http://www.epa.gov/npdes/pubs/ua_pa_nj_de_md_philadelphia_nw.pdf (broken link)
NE Philadelphia urbanized area
http://www.epa.gov/npdes/pubs/ua_pa_nj_de_md_philadelphia_ne.pdf (broken link)
Allentown urbanized area
http://www.epa.gov/npdes/pubs/ua_pa_nj_allentown_bethlehem.pdf (broken link)

Notice how the Allentown and Reading urbanized areas practically touch the Philadelphia urbanized areas.
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Old 05-28-2007, 11:32 AM
 
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I confess, I'm just using what I've seen. and how I feel. I've lived here in the Lehigh Valley for almost ten years. It's the longest I've lived anywhere my whole life. To be thought of as a resident of a large busy-busy cityish area just appalls me. The town I live in (well, just outside of) is small. We still have parades and Friday night football games, community events, etc. We don't talk about Philadelphia in normal conversations unless it's about the Eagles....Once in awhile you will hear Pennsylvania Dutch spoken in the grocery store. Traffic is when you have to wait through two lights to cross the highway. The tallest building in town is probably town hall at three stories.

So, while the numbers might show that the area is "urbanizing" I just haven't seen it and frankly, would prefer not to.
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Old 05-28-2007, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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or less. There are big gaps from Hatfield North. A business here and there, strip shopping centers in Quakertown then more businesses here and there and then a couple more shopping centers. Not ubanized.
Its always been my impression that the Philadlephia area boundary ended around Blue Bell, Gwenyd Valley area. I've never considered Landsdale points north part of Philadlephia.
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:17 AM
 
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Its always been my impression that the Philadlephia area boundary ended around Blue Bell, Gwenyd Valley area. I've never considered Landsdale points north part of Philadlephia.
Geez, that's pretty constraining.

Do you know that the high school sports leagues encompass the entirety of Buck and Mongomery County (meaning that Cheltanham and Quakertown are in the same league) and that SEPTA extends as far as Landsdale/Colmar and will most likely be extended past Quakertown in the near future.
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:48 PM
 
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Why would it make more sense for more counties to be lumped together? In third grade most Pennsylvania kids study the state and they do it by regions. Here's a site that shows the regions that I think my kids learned and make sense to me: Pennsylvania Regions: Information from Answers.com I see that some of the regions overlap and I'm guessing that's not how the kids learn that (kind of confusing) but also seems to make sense.
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Old 05-30-2007, 07:29 AM
 
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Why would it make more sense for more counties to be lumped together?
Do you mean lumping the Delaware Valley and Lehigh Valley together? If that's what you mean, then I more-or-less agree. It's stupid to start lumping together the East Coast MSA's. Once we start down that path we'll end up with this. The BosWash MSA

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...70/Boswash.png
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Old 05-30-2007, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Geez, that's pretty constraining.

Do you know that the high school sports leagues encompass the entirety of Buck and Mongomery County (meaning that Cheltanham and Quakertown are in the same league) and that SEPTA extends as far as Landsdale/Colmar and will most likely be extended past Quakertown in the near future.
You have to draw a line somewhere and for me its the 202 corridor. Technically I suppose Quakertown would be considered metro Philadelphia but its 50 miles from Philadelphia- thats about the same distance as Lancaster-Philaldephia.

The 25 mile circu****ence is a truer gauge for Philadelphia which is a big but not supersized metro(NYC-Chi-LA) That takes you from Chadds Ford-West Chester- Collegeville-Ambler-Hatboro. In due time development will expand NW but not just yet imo.
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Old 05-30-2007, 10:06 AM
 
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You have to draw a line somewhere and for me its the 202 corridor.
So half of Norristown, King of Prussia, and the Montgomery mall are outside the Metro???

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Technically I suppose Quakertown would be considered metro Philadelphia but its 50 miles from Philadelphia- thats about the same distance as Lancaster-Philaldephia.
Actually 29 Miles from Southern Quakertown to Ogantz Ave.

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The 25 mile circu****ence is a truer gauge
Only in Your opinion....I respectfully think that is to small. Using your criteria we are probably excluding half a million (or more) people who spend their Friday nights at Ruth's Chris on S. Broad.

Philly culture, commuting, media, etc do not stop at a 25 mile circu****ence.

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That takes you from Chadds Ford-West Chester- Collegeville-Ambler-Hatboro.
Odd, you want to include West Chester, but not Montongomeryville? Hatboro, but not Doylstown? Collegeville is in, but the North Penn school district is out?

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In due time development will expand NW but not just yet imo.
I consider NorthWest to be 422 towards Pottstown / Reading. North is 476 or 309 or 611 towards Quakertown / Allentown. West is 30 or 3 towards Downingtown / Coatsville.

The most densely populated directions are North and NorthWest. So I would extend the metro all the way north to Quakertown / Doylestown and all the way NorthWest to Pottstown. I would go as far west as Coatsville.

Ask people in any one of these border towns, "what do you hate the most about SEPTA".....I bet you get an ear full.
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