New Rail & Transit Projects in SE PA and Philly (Lancaster: college, gated)
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"Tram" is what Britons call a trolley. Chances are whoever posted something to this discussion or one of the links from it and used this word is European (English-speakers in Europe follow British usage as much as they do American usage, if not more so).
If anyone is proposing restoring light rail service on the two Red Arrow routes that were abandoned, it's news to me. I think we will see full restoration of PRR West Chester Branch service first.
Of course, the entire SEPTA capital program has to be viewed as analogous to the old Sears catalogue unless and until Harrisburg fixes the transportation funding problem. (And that problem is not restricted to mass transit: the state's roads and bridges are also being shortchanged now by the funding hole.)
However, one SEPTA insider whom I see every Sunday tells me the agency does face a right-here, right-now conundrum: As the city is proceeding with its plans to redo Dilworth Plaza and the transit concourses beneath it, SEPTA must also proceed with its reconstruction of City Hall Station, for to do otherwise would require tearing up what had just been built at needless extra cost. But there's no money for SEPTA to do this now.
"Tram" is what Britons call a trolley. Chances are whoever posted something to this discussion or one of the links from it and used this word is European (English-speakers in Europe follow British usage as much as they do American usage, if not more so).
If anyone is proposing restoring light rail service on the two Red Arrow routes that were abandoned, it's news to me. I think we will see full restoration of PRR West Chester Branch service first.
Of course, the entire SEPTA capital program has to be viewed as analogous to the old Sears catalogue unless and until Harrisburg fixes the transportation funding problem. (And that problem is not restricted to mass transit: the state's roads and bridges are also being shortchanged now by the funding hole.)
However, one SEPTA insider whom I see every Sunday tells me the agency does face a right-here, right-now conundrum: As the city is proceeding with its plans to redo Dilworth Plaza and the transit concourses beneath it, SEPTA must also proceed with its reconstruction of City Hall Station, for to do otherwise would require tearing up what had just been built at needless extra cost. But there's no money for SEPTA to do this now.
I think we will see the West Chester line restored soon. Alot of towns and my cousins what that line restored as it would ease there commutes to Philly. The other lines will be restored in phases form what i'm told as part of the statewide plan , ie the Allentown and Reading lines. I think will see Privatization of the Septa network or at the attempt to do it....that would speed up things. Tram is more of a European name , but its way better then saying trolley. The old Red Arrow lines would be rebuilt by Private companies not Septa. A Transit Blogger friend told me he heard that somewhere , same with the Cross County Metro. The Waterfront Trams would be built and operated by DPRA. I think PA's word are 3x worse then the Worse Bridge Septa has.
These numbers and Projects were taken from the Capital Projects plan from SEPTA , NJT and DRPA , along with County plans. The Ridership projects are from City , County ,bloggers , SEPTA Fanners (there usually not that far off , at least with the yearly projections) , and Private groups.
Glassboro / Millville LRT
Cape May line
West Trenton LRT extension of Riverline
Pennsuaken Transit Center
Upgraded West Trenton Station
Added Sidlings to the RiverLine
Transit Orientated Development plan for SE PA and SNJ
SMART CARD payment system for Septa system and NJT buses
Restoration of Trolley 56 & 23
Septa Regional Rail Wire and Signal overhaul
Trolley Replacement
Board Street car refurbishment / replacement
PATCO car refurbishment
Silverliner V car purchase
Norristown HSL extension to KOP / Valley Forge
West Chester line Restoration
Reading line Restoration
Newton line restoration
Waterfront LRT
Franklin SQ reopening
BSL Extension to Navy Yards
Navy Yards LRT
Mutiple Station upgrades
High Level Platforms on Amtrak routes
Large Scale Rail Projects
Project : Newtown line Number of lines : 1
Stations : 11
Projected Ridership : 20,000
Project : Reading line Number of lines : 1
Stations : 10
Projected Ridership : 40,000
Project : West Chester line Number of lines : 1
Stations : 6
Projected Ridership : 12,000
Project : Stony Branch / Cynwyd line Number of lines : 1
Stations : 10
Projected Ridership : 10,000
Project : Allentown line Number of lines : 1
Stations : 36
Projected Ridership : 40,000
Project : New Hope line Number of lines : 1
Stations : 5
Projected Ridership : 12,000
Project : Coatesville / Wilmington line Number of lines :
Stations : 7
Projected Ridership : 5,000
Project : Oxford line Number of lines : 1
Stations : 6
Projected Ridership : 4,000
Project : Newark / Boothywn line Number of lines : 1
Stations : 15
Projected Ridership : 30,000
Project : Sports line Number of lines : 1
Stations : 3
Projected Ridership : 6,000
Project : Cape May line and branches to Ocean City , Wildwood
Number of lines : 3
Stations : 7
Projected Ridership : 12,000
Project : Mt Holly Branch Number of lines : 1
Stations : 4
Projected Ridership : 8,000
Project : Roosevelt Boulevard Subway Number of lines : 1
Stations : 12
Projected Ridership : 90,000
Project : Naval Yards LRT Number of lines : 3
Stations : 7
Projected Ridership : 25,000
Project : Waterfront LRT Number of lines : 1
Stations : 12
Projected Ridership : 40,000
Project : MFL extension to RS line Number of lines : 1
Stations : 2
Projected Ridership : 15,000
Project : Restoration of Trolley 56 Number of lines : 1
Stations : 22
Projected Ridership : 50,000
Project : Restoration of Trolley 23 Number of lines : 1
Stations : 15
Projected Ridership : 55,000
Project : Restoration of Trolley 103 Number of lines : 1
Stations : 9
Projected Ridership : 12,000
Project : Grays / Washington Ave Trolley Number of lines : 1
Stations : 10
Projected Ridership : 60,000
Project : 22nd / Snyder / 6th / City Hall Trolley Number of lines : 4
Stations : 20
Projected Ridership : 70,000
Project : City Branch LRT Number of lines : 1
Stations : 9
Projected Ridership : 20,000
Project : Cross County LRT
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 12
Projected Ridership : 30,000
Project : Norristown HSL extension to KOP Number of lines : 1
Stations : 6
Projected Ridership : 12,000
Project : Glassboro / Millville Light Rail
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 24
Projected Ridership : 37,000
Project : Pennsville Light Rail line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 7
Projected Ridership : 6,000
Project : West Trenton Riverline extension
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 9
Projected Ridership : 15,000
Current system
Line : Warminster line Length : 20 mi
Stations : 17
Ridership : 10,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 17,000
Line : West Trenton line Length : 32 mi
Stations : 24
Ridership : 12,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 15,000
Line : Fox Chase line Length : 11 mi
Stations : 8
Ridership : 6,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 26,000
Line : Norristown line Length : 18 mi
Stations : 16
Ridership : 11,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 50,000
Line : Airport line Length : 9 mi
Stations : 10
Ridership : 7,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 11,000
Line : Chestnut Hill East line Length : 11 mi
Stations : 12
Ridership : 6,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 9,000
Line : Cynwyd line Length : 6 mi
Stations : 5
Ridership : 600 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 2,000
Line : Chestnut Hill West line Length : 11 mi
Stations : 13
Ridership : 6,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 9,000
Line : Lansdale / Doylestown line Length : 34 mi
Stations : 27
Ridership : 19,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 25,000
Line : Trenton line Length : 33 mi
Stations : 10
Ridership : 11,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 17,000
Line : Media / Elwyn line Length : 18 mi
Stations : 19
Ridership : 10,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 22,000
Line : Paoli / Thorndale line Length : 35 mi
Stations : 26
Ridership : 23,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 40,000
Line : Wilmington / Newark line Length : 39 mi
Stations : 22
Ridership : 9,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 15,000
Line : Market - Frankford line
Length : 12 mi
Stations : 28
Ridership : 180,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 220,000
Line : PATCO
Length : 14 mi
Stations : 13
Ridership : 38,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 50,000
Line : Board Street line Length : 12 mi
Stations : 25
Ridership : 137,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 215,000
I think we will see the West Chester line restored soon. Alot of towns and my cousins what that line restored as it would ease there commutes to Philly. The other lines will be restored in phases form what i'm told as part of the statewide plan , ie the Allentown and Reading lines. I think will see Privatization of the Septa network or at the attempt to do it....that would speed up things. Tram is more of a European name , but its way better then saying trolley. The old Red Arrow lines would be rebuilt by Private companies not Septa. A Transit Blogger friend told me he heard that somewhere , same with the Cross County Metro. The Waterfront Trams would be built and operated by DPRA. I think PA's word are 3x worse then the Worse Bridge Septa has.
So true I could never understand why there was no trains there it would speed up service to media and make delaware more reachable without having to ugh taking 2 buses that take forever well separately their fine but when u add in the transfer and how far it is just plain wrong. Some things are better done with the rail. Yay septa
The problem is not enough people in the region use mass transit. Why do you think many of the old lines were discontinued? The answer is nobody was using those lines. Even the existing lines are a joke. If I take the regional rails after 10 pm the train is 90% empty.
In the inner city neighborhoods, a ton of people take mass transit. I take the 10 trolley all the time and I've been on trolley at 12 or 1 pm that were packed. People take the 10 at night too. I've been on it at night a couple of times and have been pleasantly surprised at how many people used it. Regional Rail is expensive.
Before SEPTA invests a nickel into expansion it needs to put some work into maintenance and renovation of its existing service. Outside of the three major transit hubs (30th Street/Suburban Station and Market East) the facilities are rundown/falling apart. Additionally frequency of service issues during rush hour need to be addressed in order to increase ridership and subsequently increased revenue. Most of the bus routes which feed subway stations and regional rail lines operate on the same frequency of service at rush hour as they do at other times of the day. Additionally SEPTA operates on the premise that rush hour ends at 8:30am in the morning and 5:30 pm in the evening...in which parallel universe? And then of course there is the archaic ticket purchase "system". SEPTA shouldn't be allowed to do any expansion with tax dollars until they're able to successfully operate within the current system.
For the trolleys, busses, the El, and the Broad Street Line, there is definitely more service during rush hour. I do think SEPTA ends their evening rush hour service a bit early on the buses. During rush hour, I can catch a 10 trolley every 8 minutes whereas its usually about every 10-12 minutes during non-peak hours in the morning and afternoon.
Like the Frankford Arsenal before it, the Navy Yard is a former military facility that the city is trying to redevelop for civilian purposes. Another recent addition to the Navy Yard is Tasty Baking Company, which is moving its plant to a brand-new facility there from its old home in Nicetown.
The eastern third of the Navy Yard site is a former military airfield. It hasn't been used for aviation for decades. That's a lot of empty land that could be turned into something else -- but right now, there's no easy way to get to it. The light rail extension shown on the Transport Politic map -- which no local transit or planning agency has yet put on its short list of projects to undertake -- would remedy that.
The idea is to extend the single-seat rapid transit ride to City Hall all the way to the Far Northeast. On a local discussion board whose transportation forum I moderate, we've had some back-and-forth discussion on both the merits of this line -- and of running it up the Boulevard* -- and on the A. Merritt Taylor transit plan, most of which remains desirable a century later.
*While Roosevelt Boulevard is the spine of Northeast Philly, it is a supremely pedestrian-hostile thoroughfare. Some have argued that Bustleton Avenue -- which is narrower and more uniformly commercial -- would make a better choice as a route for a BSL Northeast Spur.
Edited to add: I'm not sure about the distance, but I think that the Northeast Spur subway as proposed by the city and SEPTA would be about 8-10 miles long.
Once you go north of the Frankford Transportation Center, bus service in the NE is AWFUL, especially on the weekends. Most of the buses in the NE like the 88, 84, and 66 only run every 1/2 hour or every hour on the weekends.
Philadelphia-30th Street Station Pennsauken Transit Center
Cherry Hill
Lindenwood
Atco
Hammonton
Egg Harbor City
Absecon
Atlantic City
Trenton line Trenton Transit Center
Levittown
Bristol
Croydon
Eddington
Cornwells Heights
Torresdale
Holmesburg Junction
Tacony
Bridesburg
North Philadelphia
30th Street Station
Suburban Station
Market East Station
Tempe University
West Trenton Line West Trenton Transit Center
Yardley
Woodbourne
Langhorne
Neshaminy Falls
Trevose
Somerton
Forest Hills
Philmont
Bethayres
Meadowbrook
Rydal
Noble
Jenkintown-Wyncote
Elkins Park
Melrose Park
Fern Rock Transportation Center
Wayne Junction
Temple University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
30th Street Station
University City
Warminster Line New Hope
Traymore
Ivyland
Warminster
Hatboro
Willow Grove
Crestmont
Roslyn
Ardsley
Glenside
Jenkintown-Wyncote
Elkins Park
Melrose Park
Fern Rock Transportation Center
Wayne Junction
Temple University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
30th Street Station
University City
Lansdale/Doylestown Line Doylestown
Delaware Valley College
New Britain
Chalfont
Link Belt
Colmar
Fortuna
Lansdale
Pennbrook
North Wales
Gwynedd Valley
Penllyn
Ambler
Fort Washington
Oreland
North Hills
Glenside
Jenkintown-Wyncote
Elkins Park
Melrose Park
Fern Rock Transportation Center
Wayne Junction
Temple University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
30th Street Station
Newtown / Fox Chase line Newtown
Holland
Southampton
Bryn Athyn
Fox Chase
Ryers
Cheltenham
Lawndale
Olney
Wayne Junction
Temple University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
30th Street Station
Norristown Line Elm Street
Main Street
Norristown Transportation Center
Conshohocken
Spring Mill
Miquon
Ivy Ridge
Manayunk
Wissahickon
East Falls
Allegheny
North Board Station
Temple University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
30th Street Station
Chestnut Hill East Line Chestnut Hill East
Gravers
Wyndmoor
Mount Airy
Sedgwick
Stenton
Washington Lane
Germantown
Wister
Wayne Junction
Temple University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
30th Street Station
Chestnut Hill West Line Chestnut Hill West
Highland
St. Martins
Allen Lane
Carpenter
Upsal
Tulpehocken
Chelten Avenue
Queen Lane
North Philadelphia
30th Street Station
Suburban Station
Market East Station
Tempe Unversity
Airport Line Terminals E & F
Terminals C & D
Terminal B
Terminal A East/West Eastwick Transit Center
University City
30th Street Station
Suburban Station
Market East Station
Tempe University
West Chester / Media Line West Chester
West Chester University
Oakbourne
Cheyney
Wawa
Elwyn
Media
Moylan-Rose Valley
Wallingford
Swarthmore
Morton
Secane
Primos
Clifton–Aldan
Gladstone
Lansdowne
Fernwood-Yeadon
Angora
49th Street
University City
30th Street Station
Suburban Station
Market East Station
Tempe University
Wilmington / Newark Line Newark
Churchmans Crossing
Wilmington
Claymont
Marcus Hook
Highland Avenue
Chester Transportation Center
Eddystone
Crum Lynne
Ridley Park
Prospect Park
Norwood
Glenolden
Folcroft
Sharon Hill
Curtis Park
Darby
University City
30th Street Station
Suburban Station
Market East Station
Tempe University
Parkersburg / Thorndale Line Pakersburg
Coatesville
Thorndale
Downingtown
Whitford
Exton
Malvern
Paoli
Daylesford
Berwyn
Devon
Strafford
Wayne
St. Davids
Radnor
Villanova
Rosemont
Bryn Mawr
Haverford
Ardmore
Wynnewood
Narberth
Merion
Overbrook 52nd Street
30th Street Station
Suburban Station
Market East Station
Tempe University
Cynwyd Line Ivy Ridge Upper Level
Manayunk Upper Level
Barmouth
Cynwyd
Bala
Wynnefield Avenue 52nd Street
30th Street Station
Suburban Station
Market East Station
Tempe University
Norristown High Speed Line Norristown Transportation Center
Bridgeport
DeKalb Street
Hughes Park
Gulph Mills
Matsonford
County Line Radnor Transit Center
Villanova
Stadium – Ithan Avenue
Garrett Hill
Roberts Road
Bryn Mawr
Haverford
Ardmore Avenue
Ardmore Junction
Wynnewood Road
Beechwood–Brookline
Penfield
Township Line Road
Parkview
69th Street Terminal
RiverLine
Trenton Transit Center
Hamilton Ave
Cass Street
Bordentown
Roebling
Florence
Burlington Towne Centre
Burlington South
Beverly-Edgewater Park
Delanco
Riverside
Cinnaminson
Riverton
Palmyra
Pennsauken-Route 73 Pennsauken Transit Center
36th Street
Walter Rand Transportation ctr
Cooper St-Rutgers Univ.
Aquarium
Entertainment Center
Proposed / Planned Lines
Reading Line Sinking Spring
West Wyomissing
Wyomissing
West Reading
Downtown Reading
Lorane
Birdsboro
Stowe
Pottstown
Royersford
Phoenixville
Valley Forge Transit Center
Norristown Transportation Center
Conshohocken
Spring Mill
Miquon
Ivy Ridge
Manayunk
Wissahickon
East Falls
Allegheny
North Board Station
Temple University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
30th Street Station
Stony Branch Lansdale West Point
Center Square
East Norriton
Elm Street
Main Street
Norristown Transportation Center
Conshohocken
Spring Mill
Miquon Ivy Ridge Upper Level
Manayunk Upper Level
Barmouth
Cynwyd
Bala
Wynnefield Avenue 52nd Street
30th Street Station
Suburban Station
Market East Station
Tempe University
Allentown Line Downtown Allentown
Bethlehem Works
Hellertown
Coopersburg
Quakertown
Perkasie
Souderton
Hatfield
Lansdale
Pennbrook
North Wales
Gwynedd Valley
Penllyn
Ambler
Fort Washington
Oreland
North Hills
Glenside
Jenkintown-Wyncote
Elkins Park
Melrose Park
Fern Rock Transportation Center
Wayne Junction
Temple University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
30th Street Station
Newark / Boothywn line Downtown Newark
Harmony Hills
Marshalton
Elsmere
Highlands / Wilmington
Northwest Wilmington
Arden
Boothywn
Parkside
Woodlyn
Folsom
Glenoden North
Collingdale
Darby North
Elmwood
Kingseeing
University City
30th Street Station
Suburban Station
Market East Station
Tempe University
South Philadelphia line Naval Yards
Synder Ave
Washington Ave
University City
30th Street Station
Suburban Station
Market East Station
Tempe University
Cape May Branch
Philadelphia-30th Street Station Pennsauken Transit Center
Cherry Hill
Lindenwood
Atco
Woodbine Cape May Courthouse
Rio Grande
North Cape May
Cape May
Glassboro / Millville Branch
Walter Rand Transportation ctr Cooper Hospital
Atlantic Ave
Gloucester City
Crown Point Road
Red Bank Ave
Cooper Street
Woodbury Heights
Wenonah
Mantra Boulevard
Sewell
Pitman
Rowan University
Glassboro
Clayton
Newfield
Oak Road
Landis Ave
Walnut Road
Route 55 Park / Ride
Broad Street
Main Street
West Trenton Extension Trenton Transit Center State and Canal Street
State and Warren Street
State House
Calhoun & Passaic Street
Calhoun & Bernard Street
Prospect Street
Parkside Ave
Lower Ferry Road
West Trenton Transit Center
Norristown High Speed Line Extension Valley Forge Transit Center
Valley Forge National Historical Park
Village at Valley Forge
King of Prussia
Hughes Park
Gulph Mills
Matsonford
County Line Radnor Transit Center
Villanova
Stadium – Ithan Avenue
Garrett Hill
Roberts Road
Bryn Mawr
Haverford
Ardmore Avenue
Ardmore Junction
Wynnewood Road
Beechwood–Brookline
Penfield
Township Line Road
Parkview
69th Street Terminal
Cross Regional Metro Malvern Transfer Center
Southeastern
King of Prussia
Hughes Park
Black Horse
Plymouth Meeting
Fort Washington
Willow Grove
Southhampton
Festerville-Trevose
Langhorne
Woodbourne Transfer Center
Fairless Hills
Morrisville State & Calhoun Street
State House
State & Board Street
Trenton Transit Center
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