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Old 05-05-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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While I do not agree with the tactic used by the officer on the jabrony who ran on the field, I am commenting on what prompted the jabrony to do this in the first place. Alcohol and probably drugs. The area has glamorized and promoted partying and obesity for too long. The area is filled with functioning alcoholics and obese people. The Phillies need to take a stand and prohibit tailgating and stop serving alcohol at events. These people are not fans. They just want to party.
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Old 05-05-2010, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Philly
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you mean the plcb hasn't eradicated alcoholism since the 1930's? clearly it's serving it's purpose and needs to continue to function. it's what you get when you treat people like children. instead of young people having a legal beer at the stadium, they load up before coming in. one more point though, the idea that this is somehow unique to Philadelphia is without merit. the only unique part is the tasering.
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Old 05-05-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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I disagree that alcohol "prompted" this event. I don't doubt that drinking may have contributed to his inherent stupidity and inappropriate behavior. But nothing caused the behavior but the guy himself. I would never jump onto a field and resist the police, and I don't care how much alcohol you give me, I might pass out, but I certainly wouldn't do those things. You probably wouldn't either.

Until I see verifiable statistics that show that the Phila region has a higher per capita rate of alcoholism or even alcohol use, then I refuse to buy that something about the Philadelphia region and its use of alcohol or attitude toward alcohol caused the problem.

Someone gets shot? Let outlaw guns!
Someone gets bitten by a pit bull? Let's outlaw pit bulls!
Someone gets killed by a car? Let's outlaw cars!
Someone gets drunk and acts like a a$$? Let's outlaw alcohol at stadiums, and tailgating too!

Where is individual responsibility?
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Old 05-05-2010, 04:02 PM
 
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Didn't read much about this story. Wasn't all that interesting to me. This type of thing happens from time to time, people jump on the field and run around. It's not an issue exclusive to any one city. Usually the fan gets tackled and pummeled, this time it was a taser instead.

Your post reaks of speculation and overgeneralizations. Banning alcoholic beverages in the stadium and outlawing drinking in the parking lot is not exactly narrowly-tailored to fit the problem you percieve. The sins of the few should not condemn everyone to a overly broad ban, which would not solve the problem anyway. Will you prevent people from drinking in their cars in the parking lot before the game? How will you enforce that? Will you not allow any bar attached to any form of mass transit serve alcohol on days when teams are playing (because honestly how hard would it be to get hammered then take the Broad St. line to Pattison)?

One guy running on the field does not mean that Philly has an alcohol problem, and I would seriously question your assertion that the area has somehow glamorized or promoted drinking and obesity. I must have missed all those Philly and PA sponsored billboards encouraging all of us to stuff our faces and drink till we drop.

If you've ever been to a major college football game, many of which don't allow alocohol sales (or a dry NFL game, which happens occassionally), you would know that people are drunk whether you provide the alcohol or not. Take your suggestion to the fullest extent and you have another era of prohibition, and we all know how well that turned out. After all, it was only EVERYONE who broke that law, including the people pretending to enforce it.
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Columbus,Ohio
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Didn't read much about this story. Wasn't all that interesting to me. This type of thing happens from time to time, people jump on the field and run around. It's not an issue exclusive to any one city. Usually the fan gets tackled and pummeled, this time it was a taser instead.

Your post reaks of speculation and overgeneralizations. Banning alcoholic beverages in the stadium and outlawing drinking in the parking lot is not exactly narrowly-tailored to fit the problem you percieve. The sins of the few should not condemn everyone to a overly broad ban, which would not solve the problem anyway. Will you prevent people from drinking in their cars in the parking lot before the game? How will you enforce that? Will you not allow any bar attached to any form of mass transit serve alcohol on days when teams are playing (because honestly how hard would it be to get hammered then take the Broad St. line to Pattison)?

One guy running on the field does not mean that Philly has an alcohol problem, and I would seriously question your assertion that the area has somehow glamorized or promoted drinking and obesity. I must have missed all those Philly and PA sponsored billboards encouraging all of us to stuff our faces and drink till we drop.

If you've ever been to a major college football game, many of which don't allow alocohol sales (or a dry NFL game, which happens occassionally), you would know that people are drunk whether you provide the alcohol or not. Take your suggestion to the fullest extent and you have another era of prohibition, and we all know how well that turned out. After all, it was only EVERYONE who broke that law, including the people pretending to enforce it.
What! Before you know it there will be a new prohibition! Just because a few j-------s got a little out of hand , why must everyone else who are mostly moderate and responsible be punished and deprived? By the way, the "food police " and fitness freaks are starting to dictate that everyone become vegetarians and teetotalers and start killing yourselves with extreme physical exercise. Prohibition DOES NOT WORK and making everything "dry" is not the answer. People are just going to become more defiant.
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:52 PM
 
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The Phillies need to take a stand and prohibit tailgating and stop serving alcohol at events.
Should we no longer allow women and minorities to vote, too?
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Old 05-05-2010, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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you're a loose cannon alright
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Old 05-06-2010, 05:41 AM
 
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Alcohol and Drugs may be aggravating factors, but not the primary cause. If you think Philly is the only city with a heavy beer scene than you need to get out more (Chicago? Seattle? Boston? London?)

The fact is that Philly just has a very high concentration of trashy people due to it's more blue collar history. I bet this copycat idiot was another weekend warrior from Jersey or Bucks who thought it'd be all ****s and giggles to act a fool becuase "We're in Philly" and they can let out their inhibitions they'd never get away with in cul-du-sac land.
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Old 05-06-2010, 07:25 AM
 
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It is the whole attitude in Philadelphia (I do not abbreviate). Newscast from bars and the obsession with sports in general. The cheesesteaks, soft pretzels, tastycakes ect. It is so low brow culture. WYSP, Y-102,WIP, the whole gamut. Eskin, Cataldi, Barkan. Blind Liberal Demoncat worshipping. I admit I like the city, and hanging out at dives like Dirty Franks discussing poetry with Art school dropouts but the overall attitude of the city annoys me.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:38 AM
 
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But Philadelphia also has a thriving intellectual taste offering as well. We listen to WXPN here in the Lehigh Valley, run through the University of PA. And speaking of colleges there are a dozen colleges in Philadelphia and the surrounding inner suburbs. The Kimmel Center is beautiful and well supported, as are the performing arts theaters such as the Walnut Street Theater. The museums are always busy. Yes, there are people that just worship the sports teams but there are just as many that don't pay any attention to them. Maybe you need to find some new friends LC.
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