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Old 11-24-2011, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Israel
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What is the material basis of Quantum Consciousness ?
Will Physics explain Consciousness?
At what step does consciousness begin?
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Our brain works on dualistic basis:
a) consciousness , b) unconsciousness
In his last autobiographic article, Einstein wrote:
" . . . the discovery is not the matter of logical thought,
even if the final product is connected with the logical form"
In book ‘ The Holographic Universe’ Michael Talbot
on page 160 explained this situation in such way:
‘ Contrary to what everyone knows it is so, it may not be
the brain that produce consciousness, but rather consciousness
that creates the appearance of the brain ’
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In our terrestrial world the Information ( some basis of Consciousness)
can be transfer to you only by Electromagnetic waves.
Lorentz proved: there aren’t Electromagnetic waves without Electron.
Therefore I say,
only Electron can be the Quantum of Information / Consciousness.
We don’t have any other theory of Information’s transfers.
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#
1900, 1905
Planck and Einstein found the energy of electron: E=h*f.
1916
Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c,
it means: e = +ah*c and e = -ah*c.
1928
Dirac found two more formulas of electron’s energy:
+E=Mc^2 and -E=Mc^2.
According to QED in interaction with vacuum electron’s
energy is infinite: E= ∞
Questions.
Why does the simplest particle - electron have six ( 6 ) formulas ?
Why does electron obey five ( 5) Laws ?
a) Law of conservation and transformation energy/ mass
b) Maxwell’s equations
c) Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle / Law
d) Pauli Exclusion Principle/ Law
e) Fermi-Dirac statistics
===.
#
Now nobody knows what the Electron is.
1
You know, it would be sufficient to really understand the electron.
/ Albert Einstein /
2
Tell me what an electron is and I'll then tell you everything.
/ One physicist /
3.
Quote by Heinrich Hertz on Maxwell's equations:

"One cannot escape the feeling that these mathematical formulae
have an independent existence and an intelligence of their own,
that they are wiser than we are, wiser even than their discoverers,
that we get more out of them than was originally put into them."
====.
Ladies and Gentlemen !
Friends !
Electron is not as simple as we think and, maybe, he is wiser than we are.
==========.
#
Evan Walker wrote:
"... indeed an understanding of psi phenomena and of
consciousness must provide the basis of an improved
understanding of quantum mechanics."
In my opinion it means that to answer to the question
‘ where the consciousness come from?’
we must understand not only the brain but electron too.
#
Once again.
Human brain works on two levels:
consciousness and subconsciousness. The neurons of brain
create these two levels. So, that it means consciousness and
subconsciousness from physical point of view ( interaction
between billions and billions neurons ). It can only mean
that the state of neurons in these two situations is different.
How can we understand these different states of neurons?
How does the brain generate consciousness?
We can understand this situation only on the quantum level,
only using Quantum theory. But there isn’t QT without
Quantum of Light and Electron. So, what is interaction between
Quantum of Light, Electron and brain ? Nobody knows.
Therefore I say:
we must understand not only the brain but electron too.
And when we understand the Electron
we will know the Ultimate Nature of Reality.
=================.
According to Pauli Exclusion Principle
only one single electron can be in the atom.
If the atom contains more than one electron
(for example - two), this atom represents " Siamese twins".
Save us, the Great God, of having such atoms, such cells.
And therefore the human brain has only one Electron.
Each of us has an Electron, but we do not know it.
As the ‘Bhagavad Gita’ says:
Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form.
They do not know My transcendental nature and
My supreme dominion over all that be.
/ Chapter 9. Text 11./
#
Where is the root of consciousness?
At what step does consciousness begin?
The consciousness begins on electron’s level.
An electron (quantum of light) has its own initial consciousness.
This consciousness is not rigid, but can develop.
The development of consciousness goes
“from vague wish up to a clear thought” / Veda./
================== .
Best wishes
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
==================.
P.S.
The world of electron.
#
But maybe these electrons are World,
where there are five continents:
the art,
knowledge,
wars,
thrones
and the memory of forty centuries.
/ Valery Brusov./
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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"Quantum consciousness" does not exist. It is just a religious concept dressed up as science, like creationism. There is no evidence for it.
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:46 PM
 
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"Quantum consciousness" does not exist. It is just a religious concept dressed up as science, like creationism. There is no evidence for it.
You have no evidence that it does not exist. There are some decent theories out there that could provide a basis for it, like Penrose and Hameroff's Orch-OR.
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:23 PM
 
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I don't know for sure, but I'd like to find out or learn more.

If I were to guess what the material basis of quantum consciousness is, I'd go with some of Lebniz's ideas about monads & how their essence is perception/subconsciousness.

I'd also attempt to explain it through metaphysics (at least what I know about it)...
That our subconscious believes things that are not necessarily true, but either help or harm us materially. Thoughts & feelings affect our physiology & also affect how we influence material manifestations.

The most obvious is when we think about a goal - a new year's resolution or a dream house's floor plan. It's just in our heads, until we act & make it material. But there are many subtle goals/desires or fears we have that also affect what is materialized or not in our lives.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Default What is the material basis of Quantum Consciousness ?

There is no material basis for "quantum consciousness", only hole in the current knowledge base and some random hints currently labed as "paranormal" which may or may not be true.

We don't understand how/if consciousness erupts from mundane biological processes, nor do we adequately understand the quantum world, so some people have made premature concusions based more on what we don't know than what we do, like the "holographic universe" ideas of Michael Talbot.

That said, I'd like to think our conscious minds are somewhow being "written" into the quantum environment and it certainly isn't impossible according to our current knoweldge base... but it is still highly unlikely.
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Old 08-01-2012, 02:10 PM
 
Location: NJ
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We have reached a new era in science as we approach the critical point of faith and science.

For the first time science has identified and proved the existence of energy strings, the most elemental structures to date, which cannot be 'measured' or otherwise quantified. The border between faith and science is now blurred.

Do not be impatient as science catches up to unproven beliefs.

Science can only exist if it is challenged and 'truth' is only relative to a time period.
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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We have reached a new era in science as we approach the critical point of faith and science.

For the first time science has identified and proved the existence of energy strings, the most elemental structures to date, which cannot be 'measured' or otherwise quantified. The border between faith and science is now blurred.

Do not be impatient as science catches up to unproven beliefs.

Science can only exist if it is challenged and 'truth' is only relative to a time period.
I agree, Kracer.
It's exciting to see evidence of things not seen!

Toward the end of Einstein's life, he said he wished he'd studied more about Spirituality & what Mystics had to share.
I think as more people incorporate a balance of both logic and spirituality, the world of possibilities is going to open up in ways we've never imagined!
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