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Old 03-24-2013, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Delray Beach
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I have enough work taking care of myself, much less every one outside my circle of trust.

This "philosophy" is simultaneously verbose and shallow. It neither mentions nor requires any of the higher values that I feel are the root of right thought and right action. Like courage, integrity, responsibility, love, forgiveness, honesty, compassion, and seeking justice.

just my .02
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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I have enough work taking care of myself, much less every one outside my circle of trust.

This "philosophy" is simultaneously verbose and shallow. It neither mentions nor requires any of the higher values that I feel are the root of right thought and right action. Like courage, integrity, responsibility, love, forgiveness, honesty, compassion, and seeking justice.

just my .02
Who is the better man?

A janitor who works hard, and possesses all those qualities you stated, but won't be remembered, or the writer Isaac Asimov, who added substantially to society through his skilled writing, but in a more abstract way, that some might not even call positive?

I have no idea.

You would be #2. Though: Assistance to Those Closest to You.

Don't focus on the vagueness of the thread or we'll end up arguing for days.

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Old 09-13-2013, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Blackwater Park
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I see five valid moral pathways:

1. Doing What You Love Which Does Little Direct Harm: The unknown artist who loves his work may have achieved this. So might have the designer of a great videogame that provides endless hours of entertainment for millions of people, and indirectly causes dreams to be set aside, and goals to be procrastinated on. The dreams set aside and goals procrastinated on are not directly caused by the game. They are directly caused by the choices of the gamer. Note that selling cocaine would be different, because of the chemical addictiveness.
Could you expand on that and explain why cocaine addiction is not a direct result of the user's choice (Let's assume the user is not being forced into using it)? Additionally, what is meant by "assistance to"?

Honestly, I have to agree with the other poster that said these are incredibly shallow. I suppose it's a good start, but these are just assertions. Where are the first principles?
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Old 09-14-2013, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Could you expand on that and explain why cocaine addiction is not a direct result of the user's choice (Let's assume the user is not being forced into using it)? Additionally, what is meant by "assistance to"?

Honestly, I have to agree with the other poster that said these are incredibly shallow. I suppose it's a good start, but these are just assertions. Where are the first principles?
No...because I made this a long time ago, and now disagree with most of it.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Blackwater Park
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No...because I made this a long time ago, and now disagree with most of it.
Crap, I guess I should check dates.
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:47 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Assistance to All Humans: Someone in another nation has equal value as one's siblings.
Then send your all your money to the starving children Africa.

I generally hate humanity and have no desire to assist them. My loyalty is to those in my family and those who share my values (very few).
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