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Old 01-09-2013, 07:47 AM
 
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Drishtantoism is a Philosophy that is neither for Theism nor for Atheism. That means, the philosophy doesn’t advocate for traditional Beliefs those are of both theistic and atheistic. It says for such type of religion that admits the acting according to the rules and regulations of the nature. As atheist akshay kumar datta, opposing religious belief Shobuj Taposh did not take the equation: work = crops, worship + work = crops, therefore worship = 0. So Drishtantoist religion is different from both theistic and atheistic Religions. What is the Drishtantoist religion? According to the philosophy, a man’s natural and biological behavior is his religion. Here Faith is avoided. Shobuj Taposh claimed: if a man is devoted to his body and nature, he needs no faith. Nature means a man’s surroundings. Homeland is mainly considerable. The philosophy avoids faith, as it loves man. But faith is contempt to a man. Because of remaining the matter of ‘slavery’ and ‘mastery’ here, the philosophy doesn’t receive it cordially. Besides, being near at belief, faith is to a great extent God-based. But because of being neither for theist nor for atheist, the philosophy avoids God. It loudly claims that for presenting explanation of the origin of the Universe, there is no need to know the existence of God. And it also claims that for doing good work, a man must not have theistic or atheistic view. To Shobuj Taposh, if a man is devoted to his body and nature, he must be sympathetic to the world, must neglect otherness. In this sphere, the philosophy is near at Postcolonialism. In Drishtantoism, Patriotism is accepted as main religion. Through patriotism a man can be a philanthropist.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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I think, you overcomplicate it and pose a wrong question.
Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, as well as other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown and (so far as can be judged) unknowable.[1][2][3] Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the difference between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief. In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a deity or deities, whereas a theist and an atheist believe and disbelieve, respectively.[2] In the strict sense, however, agnosticism is the view that humanity does not currently possess the requisite knowledge and/or reason to provide sufficient rational grounds to justify the belief that deities either do or do not exist.

Basically, agnostic is not a follower of any religion (see your question) but does not deny existence of a deity (see your question).

Secondly, your question is illogical.

Who are neither theist nor atheist, but religious?

Being religious already assumes belonging to a certain deity worship, aka religion.

What you may have wanted to ask, is who is neither atheist, no theist, but has FAITH? As there is huge difference between religion and faith. As I, eg, have FAITH though I am above any religion. Or atheism for that matter.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:49 AM
 
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Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions.

Drishtantoism is different from
Agnosticism. The philosophy avoids God Without doubting it.
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Old 01-10-2013, 05:46 PM
 
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In brief: Drishtantoism is a philosophy that is neither for theism nor for atheism. But it trusts that man is naturally religious. C. G. Jung said, “Our mind (psyche) is, by nature, religious”. To me, his claim is theistic. Because he, depending on his cognition/feeling at the time of speaking on dream, said, “I find that all my thoughts circle around God like the planets around the sun, and are as irresistibly attracted by Him. I would feel it to be the grossest sin if I were to oppose any resistance to this force” (quoted it from his autobiography, ”’Memories, Dreams and Reflections”’). By hook or by crook, Stephen Hawking also showed his theistic view, though he is known as an atheist to thinkers. Hawking said, “the universe is governed by the laws of science. The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws.” Drishtantoism doesn’t advocate for traditional beliefs those are of both theistic and atheistic.
As Bengali atheist philosopher AKSHAY KUMAR DATTA, opposing religious belief I don’t except the equation: work = crops, worship + work = crops, therefore worship = 0. The philosophy follows the equation: God + Allah = there is nothing, though theist and atheist will/may say that the equation is the crop of bizarre thought and God+ Allah= 0 respectively. To say mathematically, God + God = 2God (If Allah = God), or Allah + Allah = 2Allah (If God = Allah), and to say synthetically it might be ‘God + Allah = Gallohad’. But Allah cannot be God. It is believed that Allah has sent The Quran, and God has sent the Bible. If the Quran and the Bible are not the same matter, God is not equal to Allah. So God + Allah = there is nothing (‘nothing’ not amounting to 0). Moreover, because of being a number, the sum total of the two may not be 0. Again God ≠ Allah. Because all the Christians do not regard the Quran, do not believe Allah; and hence do not maintain the Eid festivals. In reverse order, all the Muslims do not regard the Bible, do not believe God; and hence do not maintain the Christmas Day. For this, Drishtantoism doesn’t give importance to any divine/Godly matter.
So to speak that Drishtantoist religion is different from both theistic and atheistic religions. What is the Drishtantoist religion? According to the philosophy, a man’s natural and biological behavior is his main religion. Here faith is avoided.


re·li·gion

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noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

So you have man’s natural and biological behavior as supreme agency of the universe? I can see that, considering that it was developed by a poet and has surrealism mixed in. Just making sure I did not miss on something important.

What do you mean "avoids God without doubting it"? Doubting God, or doubting God's existence? System has to have some sort of belief that explains the world, the human, the nature, the intelligence, everything. I am not sure I get the base line. To a monotheist, like Christian or Muslim, God is everything and everything is of God. ANY religion known has some sort of a "godhead" type consept that at least attempts to explain the universe and bring any meaning to it. Man's natural behavior just does not work that way, as I can see it's workings daily. Sure enough, something's restricting that behavior, or world woud have been to its end long time gone.
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Old 01-10-2013, 05:49 PM
 
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And btw, in my vocabulary, FAITH is the ultimate conviction in something, without godhead figure involved.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:38 PM
 
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Drishtantoism doesn’t give importance to any divine/Godly matter.




What do you mean "avoids God without doubting it"? Doubting God, or doubting God's existence?
The philosophy avoids God. It loudly claims that for presenting explanation of the origin of the Universe, there is no need to know the existence of God. And it also claims that for doing good work, a man must not have theistic or atheistic view.

Here,

Avoids = doesn’t give importance
Without doubting = without questioning, or without taking as a skeptical matter.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:01 AM
 
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Lol @ Drishtantoism and its attempts to evade the relevant question. You are either theist or atheist--on this issue, I stand with George H Smith. It is a dichotomy that is unavoidable. But the aforementioned was clueless about why his own logic worked...the science behind it. So mystic bull**** like that which you cite (Drishtantoism) is a couple steps removed from reality...first you have to philosophically sort out the relevant issues, then you have to scientifically explain why these stances even exist...everything's explainable
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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The philosophy avoids God. It loudly claims that for presenting explanation of the origin of the Universe, there is no need to know the existence of God. And it also claims that for doing good work, a man must not have theistic or atheistic view.

Here,

Avoids = doesn’t give importance
Without doubting = without questioning, or without taking as a skeptical matter.

That's fine with me. I do not have faith in any deity mySelf. So, basically, this philosophy avoids looking into the most important question ever, and pretends it does not exist. Fair enough. Thank you.
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:47 PM
 
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In my mind, I divide the subject into two parts, the religious and the spiritual... and have my own peculiar meanings for the two words.

To me, "Religion" means an organized, earthbound institution formed by men (though they always claim to be started by god, of course) which people use as a psychological anchor and help-group to make everyday life easier. It has it's pros and cons, but religion is ultimately NOT "spiritual" per-se and often flat-out wrong. I reject the standard religious view of god and afterlife as hopelessly naive and juvenile.

"Spirituality" to me means that intangible, greater mystery of what lies beyond our everyday human perspective. I don't pretend to know or comprehend what lies beyond my perspective; I couldn't know any more than a snail could comprehend the physical universe... but I somehow know there are higher perspectives nevertheless and continually try to comprehend the incomprehensible in my own limited ways.

I expect to blink out when I die... but I do hope someone higher up in the universe will take pity on me and lift my mind up to their perspective when the time comes.

I guess that makes me a "Spiritual Atheist" of sorts.
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:20 AM
 
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The dead. Now that they are dead and have seen God (or are in hell), they certainly have some sort of "religion" but cannot be described as either "theist" or "atheist" because both are based on faith (or the lack thereof) and cannot exist when the fact is known; because you cannot have faith in something you already know. Faith is belief or disbelief in something which you do not yet know. Once you know it, it is not called "faith" but rather "knowledge".
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