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Old 01-14-2013, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Even if something only exists in our mind, is it not any less real than this keyboard I'm typing on right now?
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:40 PM
 
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Keyboard is product of your mind also. As in - what you perceive as keyboard.
It's a very lengthy and completely different thread, but the only reality that is real, is consciousness. Or, what you may want to call mind. As consciousness ultimately determines one's perception of "reality" as such, and as one perceives it.

Reality alone exists - and that we are. All the rest is only a dream, a dream of the One Mind, which is our mind without the 'our'. Is it so hard to accept? Is it so difficult to assimilate and to live? - Why Lazurus Laughed by Wei Wu Wei...



Man is in appearance a derivative of the world, but intrinsically the origin of the world. - Jalaluddin Rumi ...


Physical concepts are free creations of the human mind, and are not, however it may seem, uniquely determined by the external world. -Einstein



In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true, either is true, or becomes true. - John Lilly

In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true, either is true, or becomes true. - John Lilly
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Even if something only exists in our mind, is it not any less real than this keyboard I'm typing on right now?
Only if you are mentally ill.
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Eh. I exist. I experience things. They are real enough that I'm obliged to deal with them or suffer the consequences. Since there's no way to prove I'm not a brain in a vat, debating the reality of this or that is a fool's errand.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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What is real?

"Real" is the perception of one's reality. Because one can have many perceptions, there is no such thing as an absolute reality. However, because of this, a person can define their actuality solely based on their perceived reality. So whenever something is actually happening to someone, they will view it from the viewpoint of their perceived reality, and this event or thing will seem "real ".

Example
Person A is very depressed, and doesn't have a good life. Person B is very outgoing and is a realtive of A, and has a good life.
Person A talks to B about her issues.
Person B can't relate at all to Person A, but tries to cheer up Person A anyway.
Person A finds it difficult to get happy.

Point of this is to show that your reality is solely your own. Outside people can offer advice, but if they can't percive what you are perciveing or aren't in the same boat, they can't "relate" because your "reality" is not "real" to them.

This is how I've always seen it anyways!

Sorry if I made your heads explode!
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Wasn't Descartes awesome? Coming to the only real truth in which I have no doubts.
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Old 01-17-2013, 05:57 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Thoughts are as real as objects, in some ways 'more' real, since every object is a product/consequence of having someone having a thought, to create that object. Reality is ultimately conscious, I believe, not blind matter. God is in a sense the 'ultimate reality', and he gives being to all of Creation. Everything is as real as anything else, hallucinations have some reality too, they inhabit space in another dimension, as thought waves.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Buxton, England
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What is real? Me.

What isn't? Everything else. It's all a product of my imagination. All of you are all functions of my imagination. Sorry to break it to you.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:09 PM
 
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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Even if something only exists in our mind, is it not any less real than this keyboard I'm typing on right now?

I think our thoughts ARE usually less real than actual physical objects in our world. Like your keyboard.

For example: tap on your keyboard right now: "Lickety_Split is a dunderhead." Adn post it.

See? If you did that, I could read it. We all could. Thus, it is real.

But now send us a picture of you and the Pink Elephant you are imagining. Or that scantily-clad Playmate of the Month.

Or lock yourself in your house for a week and subsist on the pile of food you are imagining heaped on your kitchen table. Or get up right now and drive to town in your imaginary Ferrari.

Not real.

But if you're interested in headache-inducing mental gymnastics right now, think about this: our thoughts are not even real, because they in reality are not pictures of sexy Playmates or Ferraris or yummy plates of lasagna, but rather only tiny molecules of electrically-charged chemicals firing back-and-forth between nueral synapses in our brains.

Do we even hear music? That rendidition of "Won't Get Fooled Again" that had be tapping on my steering wheel this morning was REALLY only the result of some pressure waves emmitted from my car radio which entered my ear and moved those tiny little eardrum pieces and then sent signals to brain wheich then fired up some serotonin or dopamine.

Where does all this reductionism end? Yo could take it down to the quantum mechanical level.

Which opens up a whole new Pandora's Box.

Is Schrodinger's Cat in that box? LOL.

Peace.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:44 PM
 
Location: TOVCCA
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So, no difference between watching porn and actually having sex? Hmm...
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