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Old 04-07-2013, 10:39 AM
 
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Physical immortality is a prison to the soul and truly a curse. To remain in a body for eternity, while not being able to explore the entirety of the spiritual realm and discovering and living in other physical worlds would deprive a soul and spirit of growth, essentially killing the purpose of existence. To be immortal, at least in this world, is to be remembered.

Having your memory, your identity passed on through the generations renders that person and that spirit immortal. For example, Yeshua aka Jesus is immortal not because he came back in the physical, but because his memory and achievements and his spiritual nature is remember and revered he is immortal in the truest since and because of the reverence associated with his memory he is exalted to the status of a god.

To many people has to concept of immortality wrong and warped, equated physical prison to immortality.
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Your post would be a lot more valid if (it could be demonstrated that) there was such a thing as a soul or a spirit.

What's a soul? How much does it weigh? Does everyone have one? Where is it?
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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Your post would be a lot more valid if there was such a thing as a soul or a spirit.

What's a soul? How much does it weigh? Does everyone have one? Where is it?
What would be your reasoning for the non existence of a soul, the burden of proof lies on you.

Also how do you explain astral projection accounts and OBE experiences?
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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What would be your reasoning for the non existence of a soul, the burden of proof lies on you.

No, the burden of proof lies on you. A soul may exist. Is it possible it doesn't?
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Old 04-07-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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No, the burden of proof lies on you. A soul may exist. Is it possible it doesn't?
My proof lies with the numerous accounts of OBE's, ancient esoteric knowledge and my own spiritual encounters. The rejection of the concept of a soul is usually attributed to the calcification of the pineal gland, which you can de-calcify with the proper diet.

Now not to be rude but this is not a discussion on the existence of a soul it is of immortality so i won't entertain this discussion in order to remain on topic.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Physical immortality is a prison to the soul and truly a curse.
Well then I guess it's a good thing that we don't have physical immortality. But if it's bad to live in a body for an indefinite period of time, then it must be bad to live in it for a definite period as well, which means you have decided that your life is miserable in a way that would be solved by becoming non-corporeal. This despite the fact that your brain is wired to function best with its current sensory inputs. Most conceptions of the afterlife imagine non-corporeal existence as seeming like you're in a body but with the added ability to walk through walls and such. Who knows if that's the case. You might well go mad as a discarnate entity. Experiments in sensory deprivation tanks suggest this is so.

Probably intuiting this, you don't solve your problem by killing your body; rather, you stick with what you know. Which is probably wise.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:34 PM
 
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Soul weighs 50 grams or so. Been weighed many times.
Yes, this is not thread about soul existence.
Yes, OP, you are right.
What exactly is the point to your post though? Says who immortality is in a physical body as we know it? It is in abody that is built out of perfect units that do not perish.
Yes, pineal gland can be opened by proper thinking and exercise and diet. Google sungazing.
Perception, go here:
The Word Foundation: Thinking and Destiny
And read The Book online. You will have everything answered and cleared.

Be well and let The Light be with you.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:48 AM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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Soul weighs 50 grams or so. Been weighed many times.
Yes, this is not thread about soul existence.
Yes, OP, you are right.
What exactly is the point to your post though? Says who immortality is in a physical body as we know it? It is in abody that is built out of perfect units that do not perish.
Yes, pineal gland can be opened by proper thinking and exercise and diet. Google sungazing.
Perception, go here:
The Word Foundation: Thinking and Destiny
And read The Book online. You will have everything answered and cleared.

Be well and let The Light be with you.
I decided to google this, to see if I could pinpoint a place where the Internet-educational complex may have failed you.

Sure enough, first result for "soul weighs 50 grams" is this:

50 grams

Way to rig it, heh.

You said this:

They had a fella, who practices what they called "controlled dreams". To my knowledge on the subject, "soul" leaves body during deep sleep. A person with controlled sleep actually stays awake inside his or her dream, by being consciously aware that he or she is in a dream. It's a separate thread for discussion, really. They made assumption that if soul does leave the body, then body weight will change.

Sure enough, after they had him on a bed placed atop of scientific scale, when he went into deep sleep, gauge showed weight reduction of - yes, 49 grams

ARE THERE ANY OTHER EXPLANATIONS FOR THIS WEIGHT REDUCTION ASIDE FROM THE MORONIC POSTULATING OF THE EXISTENCE OF SOMETHING THAT'S EITHER PARTIALLY OR ENTIRELY METAPHYSICAL?? Sorry, thought that question was worthy of screaming.

Do you know what dreams are, and how they relate to consciousness, or the sleep cycle, for any given person?

The average person, who probably would not be said to exercise "controlled sleep", occasionally experiences a dream as if he's aware that it's a dream. The same person would be capable of deep dreamless sleep. Both these states are probably true for me and you, let alone whatever other test subjects we dredge up among our pool of 7 billion+ lab rats.

Burden of proof's not even you, because souls obviously don't exist. Brain activity explains all, based on bodily interactions with environment. Ultimately all human activity is reducible to quantum physics that we don't yet understand, not souls that we can rule out based on a mechanistic understanding of the universe.

But I still wouldn't mind an effort at a defense of your superstition, if only for entertainment's sake. Good luck!
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:40 PM
 
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Hi Matt.

Acting in anger
Is like grasping hot coal
By bare hand
To throw it at someone.
You the one
Who gets hurt.

I do not think, such amount of venom and bashing is somehow justified by disagreement on the subject. Matter of fact, I am glad, seed is seeded in you. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to do this for you.

Be well, friend, and let The Light be with you.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:49 PM
 
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In 1988, Noetic Science carried out experiments on the largest number of patients and concluded that the human soul weighs 1/3,000th of an ounce. The experiments were carried out by East German researchers who weighed more than 200 terminally ill patients just before and immediately after their deaths. In each case the weight loss was exactly the same – 1/3,000th of an ounce. This is approximately 0.01 gram or 10-5 kg. The expert’s report on these experiments, co authored by physicist Elke Fisher, was criticised by Gerard Voisart, a leading French pathologist, who said that the weight difference between the living and dead could be accounted for by air leaving the lungs. However, Drs. Fisher and Mertens pointed out that this was considered in their calculations. Furthermore, they argued that the device they used to weigh the ‘soul’ had a margin of error of less than 1/100,000th of an ounce or 0.0003 grams.

“It occurred to us that the weight loss could be the result of an instantaneous physical deterioration,” said Dr. Fisher. “But after exhaustive study we agreed – that was not the case. The only possible explanation is that we were measuring the loss of the human soul or some kind of life force.” Dr. Becker Mertens of Dresden claimed in the German science journal Horizon that the only logical conclusion is that the existence of the human soul had been confirmed and its weight determined. “The challenge before us now is to figure out exactly what the soul is composed of,” he said. “We are inclined to believe that it is a form of energy. But our attempts to identify this energy have been unsuccessful to date.” This author’s Dark Plasma Theory, first published in 2006, proposes that these bodies are composed of low density plasma of dark matter particles. dARK PLASMA THEORY ESTIMATE Dark Plasma Theory holds that there is a halo of low density plasma around the Earth composed of exotic A sensational New york times news story from 1907 reports on Dr. Duncan McDougall's (pictured left) experiments to discover the weight of the human soul. Special I New Dawn Magazine - Ancient Wisdom, New Thinking ~ Since 1991 ssue No. 15 ¦ NEW DAWN 71 (asymmetric) dark matter particles. This view, which was new in 2006, is supported by some scientists currently.

Minimal (dark) plasma cells developed in this ‘dark biosphere’ after Earth formed. Over more than 4 billion years these first cells evolved into complex dark plasma life forms. Being plasma life forms they exhibit features commonly seen in ordinary standard plasma. Heraclitus was probably close to the mark when he hypothesised that the soul was composed of a rare ‘finer substance’ which appeared like air or fire to him – two substances which, from a lay perspective, would bear a close resemblance to plasma. However, the reader should take careful note that these life forms are not composed of ordinary shortlived plasma but non-standard plasma composed of dark matter particles, which is invisible to most humans (just as dark matter is). Some of these life forms formed symbiotic relationships with members of the human species and co-evolved, integrating with the living carbon-based human body. On the death of the carbonbased bodies, the dark bioplasma bodies separate and return to their societies in the dark biosphere (i.e. Earth’s dark matter halo). It is these exotic life forms that are popularly called the ‘souls’ of human beings. In order to estimate the density and weight of the ‘soul’, i.e. the human bioplasma body, we must first estimate the density of dark matter particles on Earth.


Weight of the Soul

A man weighing 100kg is approximately 100 litres or 105 cm3 in volume. Based on a mean density of dark matter of 10-14 kg cm-3 (as estimated above) and the approximate volume of the human body of 105 cm3, the weight of the human bioplasma body (or the ‘soul’) is estimated to be: 105 cm3 x (10-14 kg cm-3), multiplied by the gravitational acceleration of 10 ms-2, or approximately 10-8 Newtons. However, in lay language, this is often taken to be 10-8 kg. Estimated Weight of the Soul: Based on Noetic Science Experiment 10-5 kg Based on Dark Matter Statistics 10-8 kg The weight of the soul, as measured in the Noetic Science experiment was 10-5 kg while the estimate based on dark matter statistics in this article is even lower at 10-8 kg. Considering that the dark matter estimate was the mean density, one should not expect a very close correlation. Bioplasma bodies may actually be denser than the surrounding environment (in the dark biosphere). The measurement in the Noetic Science experiment may also contain a certain percentage attributable to the weight of unaccounted ordinary matter. Looking at the broad picture, therefore, these estimates can be considered quite close. We hope that this finding will motivate further experiments to weigh the human soul using more sensitive scales in controlled settings.
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