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Old 07-25-2013, 05:53 PM
 
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Let me post a true philosophical question in Philosophy forum, finally.

It is known, that a human mind can not conceive an idea that is not based in reality, observed by that mind. As a result, even in the wildest dreams, pictures, fantasy and Sci-Fi, even the most outlandish creatures or designs or ideas, are still based in realities, known to humanity.

It is an obvious fact, that EVERYTHING known to humanity parishes. There is nothing in the physical universe, as we know it, that does not change, or disappear, eventually. It is a simple basic FACT.

Here's a question then. Based on premise, that anything, that can possibly be conceived by a human mind, is based in reality, how did humanity develop a concept of ETERNITY, in apparently non-eternal reality?
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:06 PM
 
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Ah, but you are mistaken, Grasshopper, this reality is eternal, ever changing,
at it's core light and empty space.
What we see with our senses (that is transmitted to the mind)
is the result of an ever, eternally changing, shapeshifting Being.

This physical universe is 99.99999% empty space, just an aside, according to quantum
physics.

Also, ya just needed a couple people to have an NDE or some other transcendental
experience beyond the mind and senses to come up with eternity....which is also a
soul or intuitive memory....a light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world....a knowing.
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:35 PM
 
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Go out to the country at night, far away from artificial light. Lay down and look up. The longer you look (even in one place) the more stars you will see...they go on for an eternity. Think how far away the dimmest star might be, consider that the star you see may no longer exist. But it has taken it's light so long to get here that the star could have died 200 years ago.

I think eternity is a concept and term that does not absolutely mean 'forever'. After all, as you said, things cease to exist at some point.
Time as a concept is totally relative anyway. I'm sure that a fly that only lives for 72 hours would see our 72 year life-span as 'eternal'.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:01 PM
 
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If the human mind is capable of visualizing a linear scale, it is capable of conjecture about the ends of that scale, or the possibility that it has no ends. And there lies Eternity, as a concept extrapolated from a very real scale of time. Nothing difficult at all about that concept.
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Old 07-26-2013, 06:40 PM
 
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Go out to the country at night, far away from artificial light. Lay down and look up. The longer you look (even in one place) the more stars you will see...they go on for an eternity. Think how far away the dimmest star might be, consider that the star you see may no longer exist. But it has taken it's light so long to get here that the star could have died 200 years ago.
This is not actually eternal. This is "limitless", though questionable, as some started saying that there actually end to the universe as we know it.
Nice try though. Indeed such a sky can give all kinds of thoughts.
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Old 07-26-2013, 06:49 PM
 
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If the human mind is capable of visualizing a linear scale, it is capable of conjecture about the ends of that scale, or the possibility that it has no ends. And there lies Eternity, as a concept extrapolated from a very real scale of time. Nothing difficult at all about that concept.
Once again, this is a "distance" example. A linear scale, also called a bar scale, scale bar, graphic scale, or graphical scale, is a means of visually showing the scale of a map, nautical chart, engineering drawing, or architectural drawing.

it is more of infinity, or something that does not have beginning and end. Like circle, or Moebius tape.

Eternity (or forever) is endless time. In philosophy and mathematics, an infinite duration is also called sempiternity, or everlasting.


You see, eternity can not be observed. Infinite depth (or seemingly so) of cosmos can be observed and then a concept of linear infinite something may be conjured.
Eternity can not be observed or otherwise deducted from existing reality. Remember the original premise - human can not conjure anything, that is not previously or currently observed in reality. Logically, concept of eternity should be able to be conjured, as it has no grounds on observed or observable reality.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:23 PM
 
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Ever hear of fantasy and science fiction?Eternity is a timeless state, and there is really no such thing as time.So everthing is eternal in some way it only changes its composition.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:48 PM
 
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Let me post a true philosophical question in Philosophy forum, finally.

It is known, that a human mind can not conceive an idea that is not based in reality, observed by that mind. As a result, even in the wildest dreams, pictures, fantasy and Sci-Fi, even the most outlandish creatures or designs or ideas, are still based in realities, known to humanity.

It is an obvious fact, that EVERYTHING known to humanity parishes. There is nothing in the physical universe, as we know it, that does not change, or disappear, eventually. It is a simple basic FACT.

Here's a question then. Based on premise, that anything, that can possibly be conceived by a human mind, is based in reality, how did humanity develop a concept of ETERNITY, in apparently non-eternal reality?
Perhaps 'eternity' is just 'infinity' in a different realm or guise?
Something we can not really 'measure' because it seemingly can never be found at a point on a continuum and that 'time' is just humankind's way of trying to establish a common 'touch point' to reference along the continuum of our sensate existence?

Cue the Twilight Zone theme...

You made me recall this article
Wired 13.06: Time's Up, Einstein
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Old 07-26-2013, 11:09 PM
 
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Once again, this is a "distance" example. A linear scale, also called a bar scale, scale bar, graphic scale, or graphical scale, is a means of visually showing the scale of a map, nautical chart, engineering drawing, or architectural drawing.

it is more of infinity, or something that does not have beginning and end. Like circle, or Moebius tape.

Eternity (or forever) is endless time. In philosophy and mathematics, an infinite duration is also called sempiternity, or everlasting.


You see, eternity can not be observed. Infinite depth (or seemingly so) of cosmos can be observed and then a concept of linear infinite something may be conjured.
Eternity can not be observed or otherwise deducted from existing reality. Remember the original premise - human can not conjure anything, that is not previously or currently observed in reality. Logically, concept of eternity should be able to be conjured, as it has no grounds on observed or observable reality.
The passage of time is a linear scale that is subject to measurement in discrete particles (seconds, days, centuries, etc.) and there is nothing unusual about the human mind speculating about what is at either end of that scale. That does not require superhuman conjectural power. No more so than to wonder what happens if temperature keeps going up, is there an end or not?

Or numbers. How much imagination does it take to realize that you can always add a number to a progression that cannot end. We cannot "know" experientally the large number that we are adding more numbers to, but that doesn't mean that we cannot "know" they exist. We coin the word 'infinity' to describe the unknowable territory that is finally reached, just as we coin the word 'eternity' for an analogous treatment of time.
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Old 07-27-2013, 12:37 AM
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...if one looks at the brain as the 'hardware' and the mind as the 'software', as long as the brain is fully functioning, the mind can conjure up marvelous ideas, reality based or otherwise, depending on what software it has been loaded with...makes for endless possibilities
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