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Old 09-12-2013, 07:08 AM
 
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Who are you talking to? I had an amazing childhood and good parents that I love.. My problems and suffering came after. In my adulthood. Non related to my parents' actions.
There are absolutely no guarantees in life, this is the core of the problem. Being a good parent does not prevent that your children will not experience any pain and suffering in his life.
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Why worry about the tiny minority of people who don't have kids? Do you also think priests, nuns and monks are selfish for not having kids too, or does that only apply to people who are sexually active and reject procreation?

Out of curiosity, how many children do you have? If you don't have any children, how many do you want to have? 1? 2? 3? Why not 10 or more, in order to increase your chances of raising a genius? Why don't you have more children to make up for all of the childfree couples who choose not to have children?
Straw man argument. I haven't seen anyone here (at least in the last several pages of this thread) attacking anyone else for a decision not to have children. So that is not the issue. The issue is the stated desire on the part of at least two posters to criminalize all procreation, thus putting an end to the human race.

I think we all have to agree that the world is seriously overcrowded.
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:22 AM
 
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There is only a duty to individuals, not to the "species". Only individuals have rights. "Human species" doesn't have rights. What's so absurd about avoiding the creation of new humans?

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Old 09-12-2013, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Australia
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Straw man argument. I haven't seen anyone here (at least in the last several pages of this thread) attacking anyone else for a decision not to have children. So that is not the issue. The issue is the stated desire on the part of at least two posters to criminalize all procreation, thus putting an end to the human race.

I think we all have to agree that the world is seriously overcrowded.
CF people have been accused of being selfish in this thread. It's been insinuated that childless-by-choice couples somehow owe children to society.

Most people don't believe in overpopulation or even that there can ever too many people. The mainstream narrative goes something like this: "Overpopulation only matters in China and India, so who cares?"
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:49 AM
 
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I don't know that it rises necessarily to the level of mental illness. It's just being very angry about one's personal pain and then laying the blame at the world's doorstep and taking it as a personal attack. The reality is that the world isn't out to get anyone; it's an effort to get the world to notice anyone. The world is out for itself. But guess what, that poster is, too.
Wishing mass harm is not healthy or normal. It's the stuff of mass killings that typically horrifies most people. I would also think that a person with mental illness is hurting and such people likely take being out for themselves to an extreme level since their issues are probably quite consuming.
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If I could communicate anything to that poster it would be that it's a mistake to project your issues onto the wider world ... the real culprits are likely your own parents -- not all are like that. It's okay that other people had good parents and good childhoods. Learn to be happy for others whose good fortune is not yours; it's a major component of good character. And deal with your actual issues; they are much more amenable to change than getting the whole world to alter itself.
As another poster pointed out our own biochemistry likely has much to do with our worldviews. On that end I feel for people and here is where your luck premise comes into play.
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:55 AM
 
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There is only a duty to individuals, not to the "species". Only individuals have rights. "Human species" doesn't have rights. What's so absurd about avoiding the creation of new humans?
It's not absurd for you. What you have to understand is that your opinion on the issue holds no value to anyone but you. It's poiness for you to spend energy on the issue. You have to accept that you lack the power to institute your wishes here.
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Old 09-12-2013, 08:06 AM
 
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CF people have been accused of being selfish in this thread. It's been insinuated that childless-by-choice couples somehow owe children to society.

Most people don't believe in overpopulation or even that there can ever too many people. The mainstream narrative goes something like this: "Overpopulation only matters in China and India, so who cares?"
We don't have a population problem with the educated affluent. This segment is not procreating at replacement levels and I think it's nonsensical that anyone thinks these people shouldn't be having children.
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Old 09-12-2013, 08:25 AM
 
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It's not absurd for you. What you have to understand is that your opinion on the issue holds no value to anyone but you. It's poiness for you to spend energy on the issue. You have to accept that you lack the power to institute your wishes here.
You don't even have argumentation. When you can't refute my arguments you come with "This is your point of view", "Your opinion holds no value to anyone". Try to address my points instead.
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Old 09-12-2013, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Australia
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We don't have a population problem with the educated affluent. This segment is not procreating at replacement levels and I think it's nonsensical that anyone thinks these people shouldn't be having children.
From where I'm standing, most college-educated people do have 1 or 2 kids. They usually have kids in their 30s or 40s, so it just seems like there's a declining birth rate when it's really just delayed later in life.

It's true that most childfree people are educated but most educated people aren't childfree.

I don't have a problem with intelligent, educated people having children at all, although it seems strange to me for a woman to spend 4-10 years gaining an education only to become a housewife/SAHM for 5-12 years. Why bother if they're not going to use it? How would they pay off their student loans? By the time the child is old enough and semi-independent/independent, the woman's knowledge will be out of date and she will need to do some retraining in addition to competing with younger people in the same field who do not have a huge gap in their employment history.
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Old 09-12-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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You don't even have argumentation. When you can't refute my arguments you come with "This is your point of view", "Your opinion holds no value to anyone". Try to address my points instead.
Case in point. All this can ever be for you is an argument or an exercise in flapping your gums. OTOH, I chose to have a child and it's something I live everyday. It's real. What you're going on about isn't real. It's just absurd. And maybe some of you wouldn't be such Debby Downers if you spent time on goals you could manifest.
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