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Old 09-21-2013, 12:03 PM
 
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The thing that really amazes me about the 'child vs. childless', issue is, Who cares?
I do, only to the extent the childfree are forced, through taxation, to subsidize breeders. You breed 'em, you feed (and everything else) 'em.
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:05 PM
 
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I do, only to the extent the childfree are forced, through taxation, to subsidize breeders. You breed 'em, you feed (and everything else) 'em.
I could get behind that as well as no social security or Medicaid for those who don't leave replacement workers to cover them.
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:07 PM
 
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You are correct.

It's really simple: Ask a breeder to give a reason they had children without the phrase "I want," in it. Hilarity will ensue.
People who use the term breeder have a level of neediness I will never understand. Did your mommy not hug you enough?
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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I reflect on the fact that two of the most prominent figures in the Bible were both single and childless, the Son of God, Jesus Christ, and the Apostle Paul. Jesus is the most respected historical figure that ever walked the earth. Did it matter that he never bore children?

There is a fundamental rule that tends to be forgotten when such personal issues are debated and, indeed, gossipped. And that is "mind your own business." If someone chooses not to have children, that is their personal decision, their choice, for whatever reasons that may choose. Instead of judging and focusing on the personal business of others, where you simply do not belong, live your own life.
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Old 09-21-2013, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Utica, NY
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People who use the term breeder have a level of neediness I will never understand. Did your mommy not hug you enough?
Maybe he was referring to the band?


The Breeders - Cannonball - YouTube
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Old 09-21-2013, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Sorry, I don't do stupid. The times may choose to be stupid. I do NOT.
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If a person is so illiterate they don't know the differences between common-usage words, I don't think they can form a cogent argument in favor of their point of view.
You are demonstrating neither literacy nor intelligence by failing to recognize that the meanings and usages of words evolve over time. Even going back to my 1976 edition of The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language shows an overlap in the meanings of "jealous" and "envious" and lists them as partial synonyms.

Only an insufferable pedant and snob resists all change. Do you continue to spell the word "canyon" as canon (with a tilde over the first "n") just because that was the usage about 100 years ago, as we see in the writings of Jack London in The Call of the Wild and of Zane Grey in Riders of the Purple Sage?
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Old 09-21-2013, 09:19 PM
 
Location: NJ, USA
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So you're God then. You've decided the course of human existence for all mankind and determined it unfit to continue. When can we expect your 40 days and 40 nights of rain, sans any human presence on the Ark of course?

Here are a few hints for you. You were never promised a rose garden, life isn't fair and there are no guarantees. It's often those challenges that make living it worthwhile.
I cannot agree with this. I have a friend who's attempted to kill herself over 22 times and she is a teen. She has flat-out said her birth was a mistake and she is not happy about her existence.

Another friend of mine is 25 and suffers worse, to the point that she cuts herself and has zero self-worth. She honestly believe she deserves every bit of pain she's ever dealt with (some of which includes sexual assault).

I have never attempted to kill myself, but I've considered it since age ten. I'm sorry, but any "challenge" that makes someone suicidal is not one that makes life worth living. I've wished I hadn't been born since I was a child myself and that wish has only become stronger as I've gotten older.

In the case of my two friends and I, the only reason we have not (successfully) killed ourselves is that we are too afraid to inflict pain capable of killing us upon ourselves. In other words, the only reason we're still living our lives is that we don't have a choice. If fear weren't stopping us, we would've been dead before we met one another.

I don't deny life can be joyful, but the key word there is can. And overall, it has not been so.

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One of the often-repeated arguments that bearing children can be selfish, is the idea stated above. However, I assume that anyone who has not chosen to end their life is enjoying living more than they'd enjoy being dead. Therefore, wouldn't any child also enjoy being alive more than being dead, and invalidate this argument?
See my above response. And you can't enjoy being dead. A dead person has no emotion, so joy is an impossibility.

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Now, I'm one of those parents who thinks it is not selfish to remain child-free, after all, why should anyone be a parent if they don't want to?

But occasionally, child-free people being annoyed at paying school tax and other taxes used for parents/school/whatever. And I have to wonder, why are some of you so annoyed by that? You did go to school, correct? You (and I) benefited from school taxes greatly, as we all generally have a basic K-12 education (I assume). So, what is the issue with those tax breaks?

You can remain child-free, but the only reason you exist is because some woman back 20-40+ whatever years ago decided not to. You have a basic education because others, parents or child-free, payed into school taxes.
While I do agree with you, going to school is mandatory. No child gets a say in attending school. It's the law that they must. And, personally, I hated school. I hated every single year of it because I had to put up with bullying. The only "benefit" I can see that I got is learning that the majority of people will hate you for no good reason and I'm better off being alone. On the other hand, I'm not afraid of being alone and am even leaning toward not marrying because I don't need to put up with more of the nonsense, so I guess that's good.

I never wanted to go to school. I would've greatly preferred homeschooling and if I wanted kids, I wouldn't have them until I was in a position to be able to homeschool them. Public school sucks, plain and simple. That's my problem with school taxes.

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Old 09-22-2013, 05:11 AM
 
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You are demonstrating neither literacy nor intelligence by failing to recognize that the meanings and usages of words evolve over time. Even going back to my 1976 edition of The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language shows an overlap in the meanings of "jealous" and "envious" and lists them as partial synonyms.

Only an insufferable pedant and snob resists all change. Do you continue to spell the word "canyon" as canon (with a tilde over the first "n") just because that was the usage about 100 years ago, as we see in the writings of Jack London in The Call of the Wild and of Zane Grey in Riders of the Purple Sage?
I'm surprised he is giving anyone a hard time given that he continually uses the word breeder incorrectly.
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Old 09-22-2013, 12:38 PM
 
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Funny that people who are pro-natalist often argument that having children is right because only an infinitesimal minority of people regret existence... But looking at this thread I saw quite a few people who prefer never had been born and are against procreation. As everyone can see, people who are dissatisfied with life are not as rare as pro-natalist argument...
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Old 09-22-2013, 03:04 PM
 
Location: East of the Mississippi and South of Bluegrass
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Usually when a thread is this long I just take a chance and shoot from the hips. Not that I don't respect the opinions of others, I certainly do, but rather I prefer not to have any muddy waters in my head when I offer my opinion.

Personally, not for one second do I think that if a couple decides not to have children are they selfish; whatever their motivation and/or reasoning is, this is a very personal choice for these couples. Yes, I know that there are many here who will say, what else is it then? To that I say whatever reasons any couple has, not to have children, regardless of the reasons, is their personal choice and a decision they will have to live with, for better or for worse, with joy or regret for the rest of their lives. Not my life and not anyone elses.

Sometimes when we make life altering decisions we are thankful that we did and sometimes we regret our choices. As adults, we learn to live with the consequences. That's my two cents for this sunday afternoon.
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