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Old 11-16-2013, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in the universe
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1) Social Darwinism
2) Racism is natural
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:41 PM
 
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Here's one I've heard a couple of times on C-D:

Bullying is natural
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Utica, NY
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Personal responsibility.
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:07 AM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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Personal responsibility.
Yep. Good luck getting majority acceptance on this one
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:16 AM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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1) Social Darwinism
2) Racism is natural
I'd actually assume some variation of 1 and 2 both as inherent features of (human) life. The lie is to think that they can't be (at least partially) corrected given our current position of relative enlightenment.

I don't actually know what any of the words I use mean, but...
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Utica, NY
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Yep. Good luck getting majority acceptance on this one
I'm talking more about the myth that the poor are always to blame for being poor and that they should simply bootstrap up, find better jobs, etc. it's a myth propagated by those on the right side of the political spectrum who say such things because (either or):

- It makes them feel better about themselves and their achievements to put down others
- They fear becoming poor themselves
- They wish to end or severely cut welfare to save what they perceive as their money being used by the government to give to the undeserving.
- They believe that hard work always equals success
- They believe that we have more control over our own lives than we actually do

(Sorry but had to elaborate).
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:18 AM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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I'm talking more about the myth that the poor are always to blame for being poor and that they should simply bootstrap up, find better jobs, etc. it's a myth propagated by those on the right side of the political spectrum who say such things because (either or):

- It makes them feel better about themselves and their achievements to put down others
- They fear becoming poor themselves
- They wish to end or severely cut welfare to save what they perceive as their money being used by the government to give to the undeserving.
- They believe that hard work always equals success
- They believe that we have more control over our own lives than we actually do

(Sorry but had to elaborate).
Yeah, I don't have a problem with any of the above. I however say it in a more general sense, in that I don't believe that anyone is personally accountable, as I don't believe in free will. I believe responsibility is a semi-pre-scientific myth that will eventually be explainable...genome X given environmental factors Y Z alpha and theta could've been expected to do A with 60% certainty and B with 35% certainty and C with 4.5% certainty and...etc.

(Bayesian theory applied to neuroplastic modular minds...maybe if I ever go back to school I'd look to research this)

except that it would be forever complex beyond explanation, as it would require modeling the entire universe...

this is the sort of thing the average human just chalks up to serendipity or superstition...but I know better. Theoretically, all is explainable. It's just that we lack the ability to do so. It's as if everyone was asked to play a daily game of home run derby (baseball) where the fences were 10,000 feet away from home plate and moving at some unpredictable velocity away from you...that's us trying to explain ourselves.

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Old 11-17-2013, 05:44 AM
 
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That peace can be achieved through violence.
I asked my pastor what my opinion should be about this. He told me I should feel that we have to show other people the right way to do things - and sometimes that might be unpleasant.

So, that's my opinion.
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Old 11-17-2013, 08:31 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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You didn't say some, you said more than any other cause. Anecdotes and examples are not evidence for "most." Studies show that about 7% of wars were motivated by religion, which on the war front, is definitely not a major cause.
Studies? Reference and source please otherwise it is just an attempt to 'speak from authority'.
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Old 11-17-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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I asked my pastor what my opinion should be about this. He told me I should feel that we have to show other people the right way to do things - and sometimes that might be unpleasant.

So, that's my opinion.
So your pastor is leading his flock and you are a willing part of those sheeple.
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