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Old 10-04-2013, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The intent of the Criminal Justice System is to keep the majority "scared" enough to comply on their own and keep crime "underground" where it is harder to see and has less influence over the majority.

Criminal Justice isn't about stopping crime... quite the opposite. It's actually big business and requires criminal behavior to continue to exist.
You know, here is byproduct of what you are talking about. People I know who live in rural South Texas have to take extreme measures to protect themselves mostly from fugitives and desperadoes who are hiding out or running from the police. Whenever there is a bust on the highway, suspects scatter into the bush. Most would be charged with either drug or immigration offenses, which are not violent crimes. If the wars on drugs and illegal immigration were relaxed, that would seriously cut down on the number of people hiding from or being chased by the police, who threaten or terrorize civilians and have to commit crimes just to live.

A significant number of non-violent crimes are committed by people who would not otherwise be engaged in violent criminal activity, except that they are wanted by the police and therefore cannot circulate in the peaceable community.

So a result of the current philosophy on criminal justice, is to force non-violent offenders to become violent criminals with victims, who then need to defend themselves.
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Old 10-04-2013, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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You know, here is byproduct of what you are talking about. People I know who live in rural South Texas have to take extreme measures to protect themselves mostly from fugitives and desperadoes who are hiding out or running from the police. Whenever there is a bust on the highway, suspects scatter into the bush. Most would be charged with either drug or immigration offenses, which are not violent crimes. If the wars on drugs and illegal immigration were relaxed, that would seriously cut down on the number of people hiding from or being chased by the police, who threaten or terrorize civilians and have to commit crimes just to live.

A significant number of non-violent crimes are committed by people who would not otherwise be engaged in violent criminal activity, except that they are wanted by the police and therefore cannot circulate in the peaceable community.

So a result of the current philosophy on criminal justice, is to force non-violent offenders to become violent criminals with victims, who then need to defend themselves.
It's true. The vast majority of people in prison are not even there for violent crimes... and even then a large number of violent crimes are acts of desperation or even just "things going bad" rather than criminals acting out of a desire to actually hurt other people.

It's my experience that truly evil individuals (as in people who actually enjoy hurting other people) are fairly rare, even in jails, yet they are all thrown in together and treated the same.

It's literally like going to a hospital and giving everyone the same dose of antibiotics, then wondering why only 10-20% of the patients get better.
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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It's literally like going to a hospital and giving everyone the same dose of antibiotics, then wondering why only 10-20% of the patients get better.
In addition to the fact that those who are convicted and then released are forced to carry with them a dossier that so strongly militates against employment, housing, travel, credit, etc, that recidivism is virtually guaranteed, hardwired into the future socio-econmomic prospects of the marginalized ex-felon, who never realty becomes an ex-felon.

I worked for the US Census Bureau as a recruiter in 1990, which amounted to conducting open application fairs at various venues. One of them was a homeless shelter in the inner city. The dozen or so applicant who showed up were bright, alert, eager to work, neat and tidy, and asked intelligent question, and more than the average number passed the qualifying tests. If I had needed any dozen people from any recruiting site to work for me on my crew, these were the people I would have chosen. They all had criminal records, and not a single one was hired, in spite of my recommenations. They probably all went back to "justice" (i.e., jail), sooner or later. It makes me weep.

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Old 10-05-2013, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Northeast
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Is there a philosophy of criminal justice?
You probably want to look into Michel Foucault's Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison. His historical overview of panopticism and other trends in the handling of criminals is illuminating whether or not you agree with his social theories. It's fairly approachable reading, too, for a philosopher.
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