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Heck, even getting a puppy is still a big responsibility lol.
Yes it is. I rescued one when I was merely poor and doing odd jobs driving around in my car, not living out of it. It was a life changing experience and he's still with me, my best friend.
From a moral perspective we have an obligation to prevent harm, we don't have a moral obligation to create good experiences.
Your first clause is a variation of the Hippocratic Oath. Most of us are not doctors treating patients, and we took no such oaths. You don't personally get to define a moral system for everybody else, that is structured in terms of "first, do no harm." Other people are equally entitled to structure moral systems of "first, do some good in the world, don't be apathetic." This kind of structure is commonly observed in people who actually do charity work, instead of just armchair theorizing about how it's pointless to take action about anything and we all should just die.
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The unborn doesn't have desire for anything and it isn't deprived of any good that life contains. The unborn doesn't miss anything because all this presupposes a consciousness.
If you are arguing that birth or no birth is amoral, we agree. If you are arguing it's immoral per the title of this thread, you haven't proven anything.
It's wrong to have children because we live in a world full of pain, misery, suffering, violence, bullies, and children are vulnerable to everything. Why do people have children in a world like this? Are they blind and in denial? Parents are aware of all misery that contains in this world and still choose to procreate to please themselves. Having children is an extremely selfish act and it's wrong.
It many be wrong for you. but the majority of people in the world do not feel
this way or we would all be dead and gone, and the world would be empty in less than 150 years.
The world is still a good place, just some bad areas on it.
It's wrong for most people to have children because as a species we are overcrowded world wide and soon must change our attitude. Today we are starting to see massive kill numbers whenever there is a slight change in the status of an area either due to natural and manmade causes. The food supply will not be able to keep up.
Calling procreation "Wrong" is s bit extreme. It is a basic human right for everyone.
Extreme is this miserable mess we call life happening here on earth. Creating human lives is a grave moral issue that everybody takes for granted without any consideration. You have to understand that the point of this thread is exactly to make an ethical approach to procreation. It's to bring into light the "rights" of the unborn. You talk that procreation is a basic human right, but remember that your rights end when the rights of others start. You don't have a right to do something at the cost of violating the rights of other people. Existence offers a possibility for harm and children are violated by being brought into existence.
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However, there're many considerations of appropriateness for having children. Considerations like whether one is capable to provide for their children basic material needs to sustain a healthy life growing up free from malnutrition and unnecessary illness, whether one is able to provide proper education, whether one has proper parenting skills to teach their children and instill a right mindset, whether a given marriage would work out in the long run so that the kid wouldn't end up in a single parent family, etc.
But procreation involves risks. By creating a new life you can't predict the extent of suffering that will take place in this life. You are risking to create a miserable life. Even if one can provide everything for a child there are no guarantees that suffering won't occur. For example, a child could have a congenital or accquired disease, she can be a victim of violence, murder, catastrophes, social rejection etc.. None of this is under our control. And hence it's always immoral to have a child.
The idea that having children is absolutely unethical is called antinatalism.
Antinatalism makes sense to utilitarianists.
Utilitarianists love to claim that their ethical system is the only real ethical system.
Whatever. I'm not a utilitarianist so me and my partner will happily have a couple of
children when the time seems right. Me and my partner will join our own parents and the billions of
amoral monsters (according to utilitarianists) who have been having children since the dawn of time.
I'm ok with it.
It's wrong for most people to have children because as a species we are overcrowded world wide and soon must change our attitude. Today we are starting to see massive kill numbers whenever there is a slight change in the status of an area either due to natural and manmade causes. The food supply will not be able to keep up.
Cite some verifiable evidence. No such thing is happening in the USA or other industrialized nations.
Baloney. First, many families have environmental conditions where they are not subjected to such stresses. Doesn't matter if some part of the world sucks, if your own piece of the world is doing just fine. Second, children aren't vulnerable to everything. If they were, they would rapidly die after birth, and our species would cease to exist.
Many parents are engaged in environmental reproductive success. They are fit, their offspring are fit, and they're doing just fine. That other people somewhere are not doing fine, is of no consequence to them.
Perhaps you are jealous because you're not reproductively fit?
Antinatalists argue that if the only suffering that your child were to experience is ONE fall, that's already too much suffering. They'd argue that teething pains are already too much suffering for one lifetime and that it's better to never having been born than to experience teething pains. They think of themselves as the most morally advanced people in the world.
Creating human lives is a grave moral issue that everybody takes for granted without any consideration.
Sweeping generalize much? Ever heard of a little outfit called Planned Parenthood?
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Existence offers a possibility for harm and children are violated by being brought into existence.
Awarding veto power to any potential is immoral and absurd. I say you are potentially the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler and should be put to death. Right now, this instant! This is known as a Witch Hunt. You believe in something, you say there's a witch who is going to do some harm to someone somewhere. So the Witch must be found and eliminated.
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You are risking to create a miserable life.
Life is risk. Get over it. You could be hit by a Extinction Level Event asteroid at any second. Well unless of course you have knowledge of astronomy and are watching for the probability of them to occur....
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This is known as a Witch Hunt. You believe in something, you say there's a witch who is going to do some harm to someone somewhere. So the Witch must be found and eliminated.
