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All of this talk about butt sex is besides the point.
Regardless of the sexual games played by consenting adults in private, no citizen of this country should be deprived their equal rights nor their responsibilities.
Oral sex, anal sex, manual sex, and so on is not against the law anywhere in the US ... if the consenting partners are adults.
What people do in the privacy of their bedrooms is none of our business.
The vast majority of heterosexuals - and the vast majority of LGBT people - are law abiding and productive members of society. All citizens are entitled to liberty, equality, justice, and the pursuit of happiness.
Bigotry is defined as " stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed , belief, or opinion that differs from one's own."
If you notice, in the OP, & 2nd post, there is no mention of religion - NONE.
It is LOGICAL FALLACY (ie strawman) to pretend the argument is something easier to refute, when it has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
But it would be harder for you to hate gay people if you just got to know a few.
Eventually you might even grow to have one or two as a friend, and then you would see why it seems so petty and hateful for people to go out of their way to make sure they never find any happiness in their life.
Take baby steps. There are a lot of "gay starter friends" out there that won't freak you out. Just nice dudes that are like you in almost every respect, except who they love. Trust me, you'll get over your hatred if you give it a chance.
In which case it's possibly an issue to raise regarding anal sex, not about homosexuality. Most gay men don't do anal sex, though many do. I suspect almost no lesbians engage in the practice. It is therefore a weak argument around homosexuality, especially given that around 10% of heterosexuals (both genders) participated in anal sex within the prior year and nearly 50% have done it at least once in their lives according to a quick Googling of surveys on that topic.
I was once taken aback by a heterosexual acquaintance who averred that he was frustrated he couldn't find a girlfriend who would "take it in the pooper". I can't think of a less appealing idea, but to each their own. The truth is that many people seek variety in their sexual experiences, and seek it rather further afield than would be my cup of tea. But what this has to do with homosexuality per se eludes me.
If most gay men don't engage in anal sex, then how is it that they are more likely to have STI's? The chances of getting one from oral sex is very low so gay men must be having anal sex or else many of them happen to be cutting themselves and exchanging bodily fluids which I highly doubt.
If most gay men don't engage in anal sex, then how is it that they are more likely to have STI's? The chances of getting one from oral sex is very low so gay men must be having anal sex or else many of them happen to be cutting themselves and exchanging bodily fluids which I highly doubt.
It may not fit your preconceptions, but this is pretty straightforward study data that's easy to find. It would be better for your argument if 90% of gay men AND women engaged in anal sex and near-zero percent of heterosexuals engaged in the practice. The reality is that (1) anal sex is neither all-pervasive nor unique to homosexuals and (2) even if it were, it would be irrelevant to the question of whether homosexuals should be treated differently under the law or should be vilified because of their sexual orientation.
Gays are born different.... they cant help what they are, anymore that we cant help our colour, they should be treated with the same respect as anyone else... their not criminals even though some religions will say and teach that they are.... how I wonder about the many thousands of closet gays who marry , have chldren and live a lie to fit in.. its shameful..and this should all stop... I was horrified to see the way homosexuals are treated in Russsia and the police turn a blind eye....
Is this thread still flailing? Good Lord... ... I doubt that more straight people have anal sex than gay men! Lots of straight couples try anal sex, lots more gay couples do and lesbians can and do experiment with penetrative sex toys and some use them anally. Now what? All this is beside the point. In 2014 we are beyond, I think, arguing the point about the essential humanity of gays and their need to be treated with respect and etc. Where and when did that equate to granting equal status in gay unions?! A marriage can be and is in many jurisdictions defined as the legal union of a man and a woman. This does not negate gay men and women from forming legal unions! It just means that they are not marriages. If granting marriage equality across the board is such a necessary criteria for gay marriage, then churches and other religious institutions should not be given the right to object to performing, sanctioning and recognizing gay unions. As far as I know, no churches are being forced to perform gay weddings if they do not choose to. A church would be on mighty shaky ground if they refused to marry a disabled couple or an interracial one. Why are they given a pass when it comes to gay couples? Even gays acknowledge the right of the church to snub their lifestyle but they have their advocates holding State regulators feet to the fire. Hmmmmm. I am sure there are kind and decent child molesters who are absolutely charming individuals. If you didn't know about their criminal history you would and maybe are sharing a church pew with one or an office cubicle... lets not get too silly about this. We don't need to be socialized to find gay people appealing and thus more inclined to validate their lifestyle. When monogamous gay men and women recognize the rights of polyamorous bi-sexual individuals to also have marriage equality I'll start thinking that its time to restructure the whole construct of legal unions.
... In 2014 we are beyond, I think, arguing the point about the essential humanity of gays and their need to be treated with respect and etc. Where and when did that equate to granting equal status in gay unions?! A marriage can be and is in many jurisdictions defined as the legal union of a man and a woman. This does not negate gay men and women from forming legal unions! It just means that they are not marriages. If granting marriage equality across the board is such a necessary criteria for gay marriage, then churches and other religious institutions should not be given the right to object to performing, sanctioning and recognizing gay unions. As far as I know, no churches are being forced to perform gay weddings if they do not choose to. A church would be on mighty shaky ground if they refused to marry a disabled couple or an interracial one. Why are they given a pass when it comes to gay couples?
I think you're equating legal marriage with a religious ceremony, when they are, in fact, two completely different things:
A legal marriage is contract between two persons the specifies the rights and responsibilities they have to each other, and to a lesser extent how this legal union relates to society in general. In purely legal terms, marriage is a secular contract, completely unrelated to religion in any way.
Contrast this with the symbolic religious ceremony of marriage. In this context, a particular religion/denomination can define marriage any way that suits them. A church or other religious organization can not be legal compelled to perform a marriage ceremony for a same-sex couple even if same-sex marriage is legal in that state.
Personally, I think marriage is an antiquated, pointless institution, but I do understand why some persons partake because in some instances they do gain significant rights. For instance, if someone becomes mortally injured or ill, their married partner has full power-of-attorney to act on her/his behalf. Couples bound by civil unions do not necessarily have the same degree of rights: in such cases, a blood relative that the incapacitated person might not want making decision for them might have more legal rights than their civil-partner. To me, and a steadily growing majority of persons, that seems fundamentally wrong, so we support legal same-sex marriage.
I suspect in a few decades this will be a complete non-issue. Sure, there will be a few hold-outs in the southeast (AL, MI, etc.), but same-sex marriage will be legally recognized in the vast majority of states by the middle of this century. Deal with it!
You do not need to point anything out, it is you that has obsessed so much about this thread that you started specifically to denounce gays.
#1 sexual attraction and sex is not a fetish. that is the stupidest thing I have ever read.
#2 if it hurts you to get off, you have a problem and need to seek medical help.
Why are you obsessed with gays and gay sex? Do you even have your own sex life to worry about, or just worry about what others do.
I would guess he's gay and trying to lead a "heterosexual lifestyle". By continually demonizing gay people, he makes himself feel better about his choice to deny who he truly is and live a happy life, loving someone he's actually attracted to.
I'm a living example of a gay male who has been sexually active for the past 19 years, in a monogamous relationship. Am I an odd example because I don't have "anal cancer", never had an STD or any health issues? Hardly! In fact, I'm healthier than most men in their 40s. I know many gay men and have never in my life heard of anyone with "anal cancer". The ONLY place I've ever heard of it is online where the anti-gays use it as some reason why gay men need to be "cured".
I respect that others can have whatever fetishes they want to have, IF it doesn't hurt anyone.
But anal sex (& yes this goes for anyone with an anus, men or women )... anal sex proves to lead to anal fissures, anal cancer, colon rupture and bacterial infection.
Simpler put (as you did)... the anus is anatomically designed for poop to exist from, not an entrance.
Some people struggle with this axiomatic fact.
In that regard, homosexual practice is indeed illogical and harmful.
Wow. You must have had some serious potty training issues to be so obsessed with this subject lol!
If the anus wasn't meant to be used for sex, then why do you think there are sexual nerve endings in it? Just a temptation by God? A screw up by Mother Nature?
No, it's in no way harmful. Poop isn't involved. People wouldn't do it if it were gross and hurt. You're simply relying on anti-gay religious propaganda to try and support your opinion that gay people are bad.
And based on a quick look at random heterosexual porn online, and AWFUL lot of straight men want to see women engaged in anal sex. Maybe you should go after heterosexual men on this topic
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)... anal sex proves to lead to anal fissures, anal cancer, colon rupture and bacterial infection.
