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Old 01-29-2014, 03:28 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Also assume you're the one being accused of something and you know the truth but nobody believes you.

Example:

A kid did his homework but his older brother pulls a prank and lights it on fire the next day in the morning. The kid comes to school with no homework done.

The teacher asks the kid where's his homework.

He says his older brother lit it on fire right before he had to go to school.

The teacher doesn't believe him.

So he simply says he didn't do it.

Is the kid lying by telling the teacher he didn't do his homework?
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Old 01-29-2014, 05:54 PM
 
Location: USA
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Also assume you're the one being accused of something and you know the truth but nobody believes you.

Example:

A kid did his homework but his older brother pulls a prank and lights it on fire the next day in the morning. The kid comes to school with no homework done.

The teacher asks the kid where's his homework.

He says his older brother lit it on fire right before he had to go to school.

The teacher doesn't believe him.

So he simply says he didn't do it.

Is the kid lying by telling the teacher he didn't do his homework?

If the definition of "lying" means: saying a statement of untruth, something that did not happen.... then yes, he is lying.

If the definition is: saying untruth with the intention to deceive.... then perhaps he is not, since his intention was not to deceive.

The world "Lying" comes together with a negative feeling and intent to deceive attached to it. So that's why it's confusing in this case.
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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So far I think the only time telling a lie is actually conveying the truth is when they automatically adjust whatever you say. Normally this is in scenarios where they expect you to lie / exaggerate especially when you are in competition with others.
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:03 PM
 
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Lye is CONSCIOUS speech or behavior against something that is known to be TRUE. Take this for whatever it is. But a lye is a lye. Many names may be given to it, but the core essence of this act stays same.
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Old 02-03-2014, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Tampa Bay Burbs
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Sound like that kid's movie with Amanda Bynes...I forget the name.
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Old 02-03-2014, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Tampa Bay Burbs
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Big Fat Liar is the name of movie.
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Old 02-13-2014, 05:23 PM
 
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Also assume you're the one being accused of something and you know the truth but nobody believes you.

Example:

A kid did his homework but his older brother pulls a prank and lights it on fire the next day in the morning. The kid comes to school with no homework done.

The teacher asks the kid where's his homework.

He says his older brother lit it on fire right before he had to go to school.

The teacher doesn't believe him.

So he simply says he didn't do it.

Is the kid lying by telling the teacher he didn't do his homework?
Yes, but only under duress, not because he wants to.
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Old 02-13-2014, 07:28 PM
 
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This type of LIE is something that he may have to put up with all of his life. He has got to learn that a lot of people lie just because they want to.
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Lying by itself is not a black and white morality issue. What is immoral is using deceit to gain at the expense of another party. If your "lie" is not offered in order to gain some form of advantage through deception, then no harm has been done. Except, potentially, to your reputation if the lie is discovered, which is not a morality issue. There is nothing immoral about having the reputation that you deserve.
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:13 PM
 
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Lying with the intent to deceive or harm is the problem. So, yes, technically not telling the truth is a lie, but that doesn't mean it is wrong.

For example, if somebody asks you "how are you doing?" and you don't actually tell them that your foot hurts, you're not happy with things at work, etc. You're not telling the truth so you're "lying," but you're not trying to hurt anyone with your white lie, so you're doing anything wrong.
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