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If we are all going to die and fade into nonexistence and we assume there no after life and no god, just non existence. Like Before we were born. Then what's the point? How do we cope with this every second of the day fading away moment to moment into non existence?
Do we just replicate our genes and that's it?
Generally speaking it seems to me there is no afterlife.
How do we cope with finite life? I am having trouble accepting this. I get panic attacks about it
One minute I was a baby I remember my childhood well, then my teens, then 20's and now I'm 34 and it's going by quick, soon I will be old then I will die. Everyone will die. My dog will die.
It's happening to me so quickly. We are all in the same boat.
We could be killed at any point before old age.
Into nonexistence.
I am having trouble accepting this for some reason.
What do I do with my time here. I don't know anymore...
You're having trouble because you've bought into someone else's notion that "life should have a purpose."
Forget that nonsense.
Life is for living, not for pondering meaningless assumptions.
Random I don't mean unpredictable, like what a casino would have, slot machines and such. Total real random.
My point was I could have only been me as in this form with this DNA. if I had a different parent or a different sperm hit the egg I couldn't have been me. I could have been one of the many probabilities my parents could have made like siblings.
This is like how parents can have multiple kids all with different consciousness separate from each.They come form the same genetic soup but differ genetically ever so slightly. Each kid has it's own unique DNA specifically only to them. That has a determinist element to it.
I dont think the fact that someone thinks like I do has really anything to do with what was trying to say
But if we are born randomly from possible potentials from our parents DNA , if a different sperm cell hit the egg would I still exist or would someone else could have been born? like sibling before me?
I could have only existed with these genes, if not, I wouldn't likely have been born.
But if it is random, how can my consciousness exist in this body? would it exist in another body from my parents DNA, or could I only exist as myself?
I do disagree however I think that people change their views. I really did believe in Atheism for long time, but I am having deep internal reconsiderations. I don't consider myself to be an atheist anymore and wouldn't address my self as that.
If quantum mechanics has a random element to it ( read that stuff over 10 years) Does that mean everything else is random? I mean we can't we have some random and some deterministic things in the Universe?
Do you think life is accidental byproduct due to the Universe's properties?
Sometimes I think, claiming that it’s all a “dumb” accident is no more helpful than saying “God did it
I have heard and read that many laws of Physics seemed to be finely tuned in our universe, and that even the slightest change we could not have existed?
Do you think we will ever know what the Universe is made of and how consciousness exists? or is it beyond human understanding?
I have friend that brought up the randomness in physics and he suggested that it may only appear that way to us?
In your opinion are you dead certain that consciousness needs matter? does it have to be something of a human brain? I mean are just putting fourth our human understanding to what consciousness is? Like that's how we function so therefore if the universe has no brain then it must not be conscious?
Do you think there is anything outside of space? I mean is there a final perimeter?
Or is it a void? but how can a void exist? how about the multiverse theory? or the big bang?, In these talks with others what do they think happened before the big bang?
Nothing can be created from Nothing, how is it possible? this is why I think there has to be designer of sorts. Perhaps beyond our understanding?
Random I don't mean unpredictable, like what a casino would have, slot machines and such. Total real random.
My point was I could have only been me as in this form with this DNA. if I had a different parent or a different sperm hit the egg I couldn't have been me. I could have been one of the many probabilities my parents could have made like siblings.
This is like how parents can have multiple kids all with different consciousness separate from each.They come form the same genetic soup but differ genetically ever so slightly. Each kid has it's own unique DNA specifically only to them. That has a determinist element to it.
I dont think the fact that someone thinks like I do has really anything to do with what was trying to say
But if we are born randomly from possible potentials from our parents DNA , if a different sperm cell hit the egg would I still exist or would someone else could have been born? like sibling before me?
I could have only existed with these genes, if not, I wouldn't likely have been born.
But if it is random, how can my consciousness exist in this body? would it exist in another body from my parents DNA, or could I only exist as myself?
I do disagree however I think that people change their views. I really did believe in Atheism for long time, but I am having deep internal reconsiderations. I don't consider myself to be an atheist anymore and wouldn't address my self as that.
If quantum mechanics has a random element to it ( read that stuff over 10 years) Does that mean everything else is random? I mean we can't we have some random and some deterministic things in the Universe?
Do you think life is accidental byproduct due to the Universe's properties?
Sometimes I think, claiming that it’s all a “dumb” accident is no more helpful than saying “God did it
I have heard and read that many laws of Physics seemed to be finely tuned in our universe, and that even the slightest change we could not have existed?
Do you think we will ever know what the Universe is made of and how consciousness exists? or is it beyond human understanding?
I have friend that brought up the randomness in physics and he suggested that it may only appear that way to us?
In your opinion are you dead certain that consciousness needs matter? does it have to be something of a human brain? I mean are just putting fourth our human understanding to what consciousness is? Like that's how we function so therefore if the universe has no brain then it must not be conscious?
Do you think there is anything outside of space? I mean is there a final perimeter?
Or is it a void? but how can a void exist? how about the multiverse theory? or the big bang?, In these talks with others what do they think happened before the big bang?
Nothing can be created from Nothing, how is it possible? this is why I think there has to be designer of sorts. Perhaps beyond our understanding?
Does consciousness need matter?
If you go back to an earlier post I made - the last post on page 8, you might find it interesting. The physical space our bodies occupy, the "matter" of our being, is (as I understand the physicists) 99.9999999999999% EMPTY SPACE, permeated only with energy. You might change the order a bit and say - accurately - that you are 99.9999999999999% ENERGY; ORGANIZED energy. Living, thinking, autonomous energy. That is the real "YOU." That would seem to make your body little more than a holographic representation of the person and the consciousness that you are; the "heart" of your being (not to be confused with the blood pump). Is that .00000000000001% of the makeup of who you are essential to the consciousness you possess?
We REALLY don't understand reality. But if there is a continuity to the organization of energy (spirit?) that is "you" that continues beyond the grave into eternity, it would seem highly advantageous to know someone who DOES understand it all, and is able to guide us - kinda like a shepherd who guides his sheep to green pastures, clean drinking water and safe corrals. Maybe someone who has been there and back again . . . maybe someone like Jesus. Perhaps he paints a picture of what is out there that you don't want to hear, but that is, again, like a shepherd. He sees the dangers that the sheep are oblivious to, and if they stay close to him, he protects them. But if they stray . . . well, there are eyes that are watching and waiting for such opportunities. It's a simple reality - like it or not.
It really all comes down to the question, "was Jesus resurrected from the dead?" I mean it wasn't like he had a heart attack and someone gave him CPR and brought him back, or they zapped him with defibrillator electrodes. He was BRUTALLY beaten to near death, THEN hung, nailed to a cross, and pierced through the heart (and lungs no doubt) with a spear - by a member of the worlds best KILLING machine. Not an easy "quick fix" for the best ER's in the world! If he was alive and healthy and active three days later, then EVERYTHING our modern understanding of science thinks it knows about reality is out to lunch!
And there is no better source for information about what happens when we die than someone who has been DEAD for three days (not just a quick mind trip or "out-of-body experience" in the minute or two of clinical death many people have experienced!), and returned to full life.
So did it happen? If you fancy yourself to be an open minded, investigative type of person, I would highly recommend the book "the Case for the Resurrection of Jesus" by Gary Habermas and Michael Licona. It studies the evidences in an investigative manner, teaching how historians can discern the probabilities of certainty for any claimed historical event, and applying the principles as it goes. REALLY a good read, and a bit of a mind "bender!" You might just find out that there is a LOT more substance to the account of Jesus' resurrection than you are presently assuming (or have heard from people who hate Christianity).
You can fantasize all you want about what you THINK is out there; and you can think you know, because you are smart and well educated, but it is all a blind guess - and if eternity hangs in the balance, well . . . that is a LONG time! (well no, actually that is totally outside of time, but you get my point, I'm sure)
Random I don't mean unpredictable, like what a casino would have, slot machines and such. Total real random.
My point was I could have only been me as in this form with this DNA. if I had a different parent or a different sperm hit the egg I couldn't have been me. I could have been one of the many probabilities my parents could have made like siblings.
This is like how parents can have multiple kids all with different consciousness separate from each.They come form the same genetic soup but differ genetically ever so slightly. Each kid has it's own unique DNA specifically only to them. That has a determinist element to it.
I dont think the fact that someone thinks like I do has really anything to do with what was trying to say
But if we are born randomly from possible potentials from our parents DNA , if a different sperm cell hit the egg would I still exist or would someone else could have been born? like sibling before me?
I could have only existed with these genes, if not, I wouldn't likely have been born.
But if it is random, how can my consciousness exist in this body? would it exist in another body from my parents DNA, or could I only exist as myself?
I do disagree however I think that people change their views. I really did believe in Atheism for long time, but I am having deep internal reconsiderations. I don't consider myself to be an atheist anymore and wouldn't address my self as that.
If quantum mechanics has a random element to it ( read that stuff over 10 years) Does that mean everything else is random? I mean we can't we have some random and some deterministic things in the Universe?
Do you think life is accidental byproduct due to the Universe's properties?
Sometimes I think, claiming that it’s all a “dumb” accident is no more helpful than saying “God did it
I have heard and read that many laws of Physics seemed to be finely tuned in our universe, and that even the slightest change we could not have existed?
Do you think we will ever know what the Universe is made of and how consciousness exists? or is it beyond human understanding?
I have friend that brought up the randomness in physics and he suggested that it may only appear that way to us?
In your opinion are you dead certain that consciousness needs matter? does it have to be something of a human brain? I mean are just putting fourth our human understanding to what consciousness is? Like that's how we function so therefore if the universe has no brain then it must not be conscious?
Do you think there is anything outside of space? I mean is there a final perimeter?
Or is it a void? but how can a void exist? how about the multiverse theory? or the big bang?, In these talks with others what do they think happened before the big bang? Nothing can be created from Nothing, how is it possible? this is why I think there has to be designer of sorts. Perhaps beyond our understanding?
What does that first statement even mean? Do you mean you were an atheist?
As to your second statement, your designer was created, or created itself, from nothing, or what? And if its "beyond" your understanding, how can you feel qualified to concludethat something cannot come from nothing.
Your conclusion that something like the universe cannot come from nothing or cannot just come into existence is somewhat inconsistent with the notion that something even more incredible than the universe (i.e. the guy that created the universe etc.) can nevertheless just exist. So the source of your idea that there has to be a designer, i.e. your incredulousness at existence, when applied to the notion of a creator should be even stronger! Its even more preposterous that a creator of a universe could just exist.
Listen - try agnosticism. Its the only one that isn't really a cop out. You cannot be certain that a God, or multiple Gods, or creator(s) exist, and you can't be certain that he/she/they don't. The primal need within the human mind for a definite answer will lead most people to cop out and come down on one side of the fence, despite what they truly know deep down - ie you can't actually know.
Be honest, accept the mystery and the truth of knowing that you cannot know, and get on with your life.
Finally "before the big bang" makes no sense since spacetime came with the big bang. There is no before - "before" is a time-bound description. Without time it makes no logical sense whatsoever. Earlier in time, when there is no time to be earlier in? No before.
Being self-aware, to me, is more a negative than a positive. Being aware of my mortality, and also being aware that death can come at any time, at any age, and in many forms makes it hard for me to take life seriously. I mean, how do we make plans for anything? Having any long-range goals or aspirations seems almost comical when judged against the uncertainty of life.
Yet in order to survive and get by, we have to work, we have to plan, we have to save -- even though planning for the next 10 minutes is absurd much less the next 40 years.
But we all plan vacations, invest our money, work towards promotions, obtain degrees, etc., all the while knowing that the curtain could fall at any time thus rendering our toil and work towards our long-range goals null and void.
We humans operate on a lot of faith!
I hear ya. That's why it's so important to appreciate the time we are given and live it to the fullest. As for the planning, I'd rather do that and make sure I have enough to live comfortably in my 90's. Being old and poor scares me far greater then dieing young.
Singularity in 2030? and what is this? and why 1964?
I forgot about this thread.
I always use the 1960's as a comparison because it was the first modern decade yet compared to today still a lot less advanced.
Why I say 1930 is because at that point we will have the technology to live for a long time and that will enable us to really explore ourselves to find out the true meaning of life.
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