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You gotta be kidding that you think there is even one peer-reviewed legitimate scientific article supporting what you just said.
Can you provide a scientific article? Or a link to a publication in a science journal? because if it was scientifically verified, rather than just confused hearsay, that scientist may very well be in the running for a Nobel Prize because of what he/she has proven.
There isn't any "science" on NDEs as meaning anything other than what the brain does when its (usually) oxygen-deprived. One of the first sensations of oxygen deprivation to the visual cortex is a sensation of a narrowing of the visual field - and the consequent appearance of brightness at the end of a tunnel.
Its people's accounts of what they experienced - in most cases a dying brain (i.e. one which is undergoing at least a hypoxic situation). What would one expect at that point. Especially as there is some (actual not hopeful) evidence of a link between CNS hypoxia and endorphin release (you know, the molecules that make you feel blissful).
The susceptible see "evidence" because they don't really want to look at it in a clear-headed way.
Sure there may be an afterlife. There isn't a scrap of actually scientifically-verified evidence there is. Doesn't mean there isn't one, but don't start the pseudo-science claptrap please.
A most articulate debunking tofur's would-be evidence. I think I'll friend you for this!
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I have voluntarily been knocked out many times ("california high") in my youth, what can I say, I was a typical dumb, curious and bored teenager. Point is, I have lots of experience with a oxygen deprived brain and going in and out of consciousness. No tunnels, lights, strong bliss/euphoria(there is some but nowhere near what is reported in nde's), different beings and dimensions, nada. Its laughable that any person who considers themselves a scientist or of free and rational thought would claim oxygen deprivation is the cause of NDE's, sorry for being blunt but I'm really tired of hearing about it like it's some done deal/obvious reason. It's not, and every time I hear it I automatically know the person bringing it up has not done their homework.
tofur, some persons are susceptible to delusional perceptions. I won't pretend I'm qualified to diagnose you, esp on a message board, but the fact that you've voluntarily knocked yourself out (whatever that means ) indicates your brain is probably susceptible to such thinking.
The brain is an amalgamation of different comments that evolved during various stages of evolution. That our rational components (neo-cortex, etc.) have to coexist with more primitive structures (cerebellum, amygdala, etc.) can lead to some really strange, but entirely subjective perceptions.
Individuals are prone to a wide array of implausible subjective experiences? Are they real? To the person experiencing them, yes; an perceptions is subjectively real to the person experiencing it. Are they objectively real? Unless there's objectively observable evidence to support such perceptions, probably not.
What if there is a God or an Afterlife that has nothing to do with the human concept of organized religion? has anybody ever thought that might be possible?
Your brain is why you are cognizant of yourself, your environment, and your existence.
When your brain stops working for whatever reason, you will no longer be cognizant of yourself, your environment, or your past existence.
There is no point in wondering what is the point of life, as there is no point to life except for the one you give it. The meaning you give life is pointless.
Since you are going to die anyway, why not wreck the world by doing your best in every conceivable way?
As long as you aren't hurting anyone, then do what you want, because one day, you will die.
Sure, but I wonder in many ways, why bother if all will be forget and no trace of us ever again.
Do you really think it's nonexistence?
Also, of all the millions of people that have been born, will be born and are born. Why are we conscious in our specific bodies? why was I born and conscious in as I am, why are people conscious in our different bodies?
What if there is a God or an Afterlife that has nothing to do with the human concept of organized religion? has anybody ever thought that might be possible?
Is this a serious question? Of course they have and that's why many people say they are more spiritual than religious. You don't have to believe in a certain religion to believe in God. You have never heard of Deists?
tofur, some persons are susceptible to delusional perceptions. I won't pretend I'm qualified to diagnose you, esp on a message board, but the fact that you've voluntarily knocked yourself out (whatever that means ) indicates your brain is probably susceptible to such thinking.
You are very wordy and eloquent so I would think you would understand that this is ad hominem (simply, just rude) and you probably shouldn't use this as an argument.
Is this a serious question? Of course they have and that's why many people say they are more spiritual than religious. You don't have to believe in a certain religion to believe in God. You have never heard of Deists?
No I have not spent allot of time in these types of discussions.Only my own thoughts. Hence these threads.
How would you define deists? is that what " spiritual" people are?
What if there is a God or an Afterlife that has nothing to do with the human concept of organized religion? has anybody ever thought that might be possible?
It would be different from any religion stated.
That's kind of like what I used to joke. "God" actually turns out just to be the cranky child of some alien race. He's all like, "what? Oh no, all that 'heaven', 'hell' and 'afterlife' stuff is all just bull s@#$ I made up just to f@#$ with you people, watch you suffer over your hope and disillusionment and then die. When I'm done playing with you you just die and go out of existence. See ya!" *poof!*
“Your destination in the heaven or hell of Locale II seems to be grounded completely within the framework of your deepest constant (and perhaps non-conscious) motivations, emotions, and personality drives. The most consistent and strongest of these act as your "homing" device when you enter this realm. I am sure of this because it always works this way when I have traveled non-physically in Locale II. It works this way whether I want it to or not. The least stray desire at the wrong time, or a deep-seated emotion I wasn't aware of, diverts my trip in that 'like’ direction.”
- - - Robert Monroe, Journeys out of the Body
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Assuming that one's ability to interact is based on compatibility and harmony, one might strive to become a person one would like to spent eternity with, and attract those of similar type.
Otherwise, one's companions may be less than appealing.
If we are all going to die and fade into nonexistence and we assume there no after life and no god, just non existence. Like Before we were born. Then what's the point? How do we cope with this every second of the day fading away moment to moment into non existence?
Male your actions, behavior and legacy that you leave behind during the brief amount of time that you exist - echo into eternity.
Male your actions, behavior and legacy that you leave behind during the brief amount of time that you exist - echo into eternity.
Most of us won't. Most of us will not be an Einstein or Mozart or anything else
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) indicates your brain is probably susceptible to such thinking.
