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I'll check out his book, It's tough for me because I am opened minded but still very skeptical. There is allot out there in the scientific community that suggest that it's all an oxygen deprived brain.It could be… It's hard to think if there is anything more
the oxygen deprivation hypothesis doesn't have much to stand on (the obvious reason is NDE's aren't anything like what is experienced when one loses oxygen to the brain). People will look for any excuse possible as long as their belief systems get to stay intact.
Think about it, why would a brain starved of oxygen and dying produce hyper real, cohesive, stable experiences? shouldn't it be the other way around? If the experience is more real then normal waking life, which is experienced with a healthy brain...
You have to keep in mind that most of the scientific community have a vested interest in NDE's being nothing more then something simple, physical and easily explainable like oxygen deprivation. The prospect of NDE's being real is scary to them, dangerous. It threatens everything they believe.
( Near death experiences meaning seeing heaven hell and all that and then coming back to talk about it)
I assume many of you heard about Colton Burpo and Dr. Eben Alexander.
It seems many people do believe them. I have a tough time doing that,now that's not to say there couldn't be something after death.
Why do we assume that death is the same as begin before birth? does it have to be or is it just guess?
I've had a few friends almost die and what is consistent is their story of seeing the light.
The descriptions match but as to what they mean?
I don't know, and neither to they.
the oxygen deprivation hypothesis doesn't have much to stand on (the obvious reason is NDE's aren't anything like what is experienced when one loses oxygen to the brain). People will look for any excuse possible as long as their belief systems get to stay intact.
Think about it, why would a brain starved of oxygen and dying produce hyper real, cohesive, stable experiences? shouldn't it be the other way around? If the experience is more real then normal waking life, which is experienced with a healthy brain...
You have to keep in mind that most of the scientific community have a vested interest in NDE's being nothing more then something simple, physical and easily explainable like oxygen deprivation. The prospect of NDE's being real is scary to them, dangerous. It threatens everything they believe.
Um, you're kidding, right?
OP, there are numerous legitimate sources that debunk Eben Alexander, all you have to do is look for them.
It would be lovely to believe that there is some magical, mystical reason for NDEs, but I think most people with working brains are rightfully skeptical.
(Also, not sure this belongs in Philosophy. Maybe Unexplained Mysteries and Paranormal, if you think there IS something mysterious and paranormal about the topic? )
Karen is absolutely correct. ND experiences are probably real in the sense that they're real to the person experiencing them. But are they actually real in the sense that they objectively indicate there's an afterlife? Probably not.
As Karen says, they've been thoroughly debunked by neurologists and other medical scientists. I have no idea what tofur is referring to by stating that scientists are threatened by the prospect of NDEs.
OP, there are numerous legitimate sources that debunk Eben Alexander, all you have to do is look for them.
It would be lovely to believe that there is some magical, mystical reason for NDEs, but I think most people with working brains are rightfully skeptical.
(Also, not sure this belongs in Philosophy. Maybe Unexplained Mysteries and Paranormal, if you think there IS something mysterious and paranormal about the topic? )
"Magical and mystical" to us currently might actually be normal. According to our current scientific knowledge(which is still in it's early childhood), it is magical and mystical. The same could have been said of many things in the past that are now normal and common knowledge.
Do you realize how many scientists back in the day resisted, attacked and ignored truths that are now considered common knowledge? A lot. It's human nature, scientists aren't immune to it. When something new comes along that can potentially destroy the belief system you have built your sense of self around, you either ignore it, attack it, or refuse to accept it even though it's right in front of your face.
Karen is absolutely correct. ND experiences are probably real in the sense that they're real to the person experiencing them. But are they actually real in the sense that they objectively indicate there's an afterlife? Probably not.
As Karen says, they've been thoroughly debunked by neurologists and other medical scientists. I have no idea what tofur is referring to by stating that scientists are threatened by the prospect of NDEs.
I'd love to see where NDE's have been legitimately debunked. Claiming they are a product of oxygen loss and then insulting and attacking anyone who questions you isn't debunking.
I've read the debunkers explanations, they aren't very convincing and aren't even close to explaining the experience as a whole. They focus in on certain pieces of the experience and by providing a semi-plausible explanation for that one aspect of it, claim to have debunked the whole thing. Their explanations for the pieces they choose to focus on aren't even rock solid.
I honestly don't care much either way, the way I see it if it's straight up non existence after death then I won't exist to care about it, so who cares. If there is a post death existence then I'm likely headed back into another life to learn more hard lessons. We will all find out for ourselves eventually, I'm waiting until then to make up my mind one way or another.
"Magical and mystical" to us currently might actually be normal. According to our current scientific knowledge(which is still in it's early childhood), it is magical and mystical. The same could have been said of many things in the past that are now normal and common knowledge.
Do you realize how many scientists back in the day resisted, attacked and ignored truths that are now considered common knowledge? A lot. It's human nature, scientists aren't immune to it. When something new comes along that can potentially destroy the belief system you have built your sense of self around, you either ignore it, attack it, or refuse to accept it even though it's right in front of your face.
While it's absolutely true that scientists resisted and debased some things that were later proven true, all we can do is go with the best info available. It's also important to remember that the overwhelming majority of seemingly implausible ideas that have been proposed have indeed proven implausible.
NDEs are probably just a different variation of 'out-of-body' experiences that occur when a person is not near death. But both can be explained in terms of proprioception. Proprioceptive nerves relate to perception of our own body relative to the environment. In some conditions, these nerves can evoke perceptions that one is floating above or outside one's own body. While not solely responsible for NDEs, they probably play a significant role.
Could NDEs be real? Possibly, but a far more plausible explanation is an entirely subjective experiences caused by certain neurological activity. I don't know of any scientists who are truly intimidated by NDE proponents; the former just recognize that the latter are probably delusional.
( Near death experiences meaning seeing heaven hell and all that and then coming back to talk about it)
I assume many of you heard about Colton Burpo and Dr. Eben Alexander.
It seems many people do believe them. I have a tough time doing that,now that's not to say there couldn't be something after death.
Why do we assume that death is the same as begin before birth? does it have to be or is it just guess?
From the age of 17 until about 35 i suffered from grand mal seizures and was out until my face was blue.
How long was i out, IDK but do know on some occasions it was many minutes as another person was present and why I'm alive today..
I think about those times and can honestly say i never saw a thing. No white light, nothing. I just dropped to the ground and seized which wasn't pleasant for whoever i was with at the time. And yes, i was like dead for minutes with no oxygen to my brain for a bit but always came out of it. And waking from a grand mal you memory is cooked for a bit. Your in a daze as the medics ask you simple questions like "your name" or what day it is or who the current President is...etc..
I would like to say i saw the wight light or something greater, but never did..
Talking about this is difficult as i was never diagnosed with epilepsy or anything..Sleep deprived and using some illegal things at the time where the cause. And i don't miss those times at ALL..
To the OP, yes I've been there but never experienced anything about the other side, and i believe in a power greater than me..
I'm just happy I'm here to talk about it.
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