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Old 02-08-2015, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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I believe that we were subjected to a condition where everything earthly was/is against God.

I mean...if Adam represents the spirit of God and Eve represents everything earthly, then every earthly soul was/is subjected to vanity...or in other words, not of God but earthly.

So what then? Well, only those things acceptable to God are God injected into the human soul. For nothing can the human soul can produce anything good except it first comes from God.

Just look at human history. The good stories, the bad stories of events both good and bad are all linked to the notion that wrong can either triumph and or good will overcome the wrong. In that order and not the other way around.

Life is filled with stories of failures and stories of victories over those failures.

Victory only comes when there are obstacles of wrong needing victories.

Hence ....the struggle.

The point? Is to excel in the good when we are aware we are in the wrong.

Your thoughts

Blessings, AJ
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Old 02-08-2015, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
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We are supposed to be and act as if God were in us....yet, he gave us freedom to ignore his word.


Right or wrong....wrong or right....chicken before egg...or vice versa. It is what it is.
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Old 02-08-2015, 08:59 PM
 
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Any special reason you didn't post this in the Christianity forum? You need to believe in the Christian god for this to make any sense.
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Old 02-08-2015, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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Any special reason you didn't post this in the Christianity forum? You need to believe in the Christian god for this to make any sense.
That is true.

But for none believers, the same applies IMO.

There is one verse that substantiates that fact: Rom_2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

No exclusions.

Blessings, AJ
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Old 02-08-2015, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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We are supposed to be and act as if God were in us....yet, he gave us freedom to ignore his word.


Right or wrong....wrong or right....chicken before egg...or vice versa. It is what it is.
"Supposed to be" is relative to, if you believe or not.

But, the ability to judge right from wrong applies to all regardless if one believes in God or not.

Hence...intelligence.

Blessings, AJ
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Old 02-11-2015, 01:30 PM
 
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I believe that we were subjected to a condition where everything earthly was/is against God.

I mean...if Adam represents the spirit of God and Eve represents everything earthly, then every earthly soul was/is subjected to vanity...or in other words, not of God but earthly.

So what then? Well, only those things acceptable to God are God injected into the human soul. For nothing can the human soul can produce anything good except it first comes from God.

Just look at human history. The good stories, the bad stories of events both good and bad are all linked to the notion that wrong can either triumph and or good will overcome the wrong. In that order and not the other way around.

Life is filled with stories of failures and stories of victories over those failures.

Victory only comes when there are obstacles of wrong needing victories.

Hence ....the struggle.

The point? Is to excel in the good when we are aware we are in the wrong.

Your thoughts

Blessings, AJ
ying yang
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alpha omega
die (cross) to live
limit movement to be really free
experience utter sadness to know real joy
no darkness can't follow the light
I and the father are one
hate and love are one
yep, makes perfect sense.
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:46 PM
 
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I believe that we were subjected to a condition where everything earthly was/is against God.

I mean...if Adam represents the spirit of God and Eve represents everything earthly, then every earthly soul was/is subjected to vanity...or in other words, not of God but earthly.

So what then? Well, only those things acceptable to God are God injected into the human soul. For nothing can the human soul can produce anything good except it first comes from God.

Just look at human history. The good stories, the bad stories of events both good and bad are all linked to the notion that wrong can either triumph and or good will overcome the wrong. In that order and not the other way around.

Life is filled with stories of failures and stories of victories over those failures.

Victory only comes when there are obstacles of wrong needing victories.

Hence ....the struggle.

The point? Is to excel in the good when we are aware we are in the wrong.

Your thoughts

Blessings, AJ
What IS "wrong"? Wrong means - incorrect. If you do something wrong, that means you do something incorrectly. It means it produces a bad result.

To do things right is to produce the best results (the best for you and the collective, the overall best.)

We do things wrong only because we don't know how to do them right.

Symbolically, the tree of knowledge and evil - is capability to judge yourself for doing something correctly or incorrectly. Before mankind tasted from that tree, they were unaware of right and wrong. They just did what they did like machines.

But they evolved (tasted from the tree of knowing the difference between wrong and right). They started to understand that some things lead to bad results, therefore they are "wrong".

So ignorance results in wrong and results in evil things.

The more we learn and grow in wisdom and knowledge, the more will understand what is "right" and will start doing it. And then it will bring the best results for all. Hence a better world for all.
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Old 02-14-2015, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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What IS "wrong"? Wrong means - incorrect. If you do something wrong, that means you do something incorrectly. It means it produces a bad result.

To do things right is to produce the best results (the best for you and the collective, the overall best.)

We do things wrong only because we don't know how to do them right.

Symbolically, the tree of knowledge and evil - is capability to judge yourself for doing something correctly or incorrectly. Before mankind tasted from that tree, they were unaware of right and wrong. They just did what they did like machines.

But they evolved (tasted from the tree of knowing the difference between wrong and right). They started to understand that some things lead to bad results, therefore they are "wrong".

So ignorance results in wrong and results in evil things.

The more we learn and grow in wisdom and knowledge, the more will understand what is "right" and will start doing it. And then it will bring the best results for all. Hence a better world for all.
I agree with your understanding. Tested and true is what your're saying I believe and I understand that to.

What I am looking at is the state of hopelessness we were/are in, in reference to the life after this one, which is absent without the help of the creator.

What you said is the natural events of our being made after the image of God with abilities to decipher intelligently the realm of possibilities between what is right/wrong good or evil.

The ability we don't have within is in the power to overcome the lusts of the flesh to a degree to guarantee the continuance of our created soul unto the next life without the help of the creator.

That inability is assured by the impossibility to achieve complete compliance, to the letter, with a set of rules set forth by the Creator.

The compliance to those set of rules defines then the what is right and what is wrong scenario.

Yes, time and experience also educates one to what is right and what is wrong situations, but ultimately, the set of rules still applies the same.

The "sense" of all of it is in understanding why.

Does that make sense to you?

Blessings, AJ
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Old 02-15-2015, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Here is an interesting quote to keep in mind when you ask about the meanings of things that are in words:

"Language is a fake horizon, and there's something else, a real truthful thing, but language is keeping us from it."

-- Rachel Kushner
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Old 02-17-2015, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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Here is an interesting quote to keep in mind when you ask about the meanings of things that are in words:

"Language is a fake horizon, and there's something else, a real truthful thing, but language is keeping us from it."

-- Rachel Kushner
I agree with that quote.
And here's the reason why.
The bible is written in words that can only be understood given the Holy Spirits revelation to us.

Hence.....ask, seek and ye shall find.


Blessings, AJ
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