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Old 06-01-2015, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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There is a feedback right. Can it affect how we 'experience" life? And isn't the synchronization "in us" because aren't the events already synchronized with respect to each other?
Yes, I agree. The feedback is experienced as memories. Memory is the defining characteristic of existence. Everything is based upon it and everyone experiences it differently. Thus one person may feel an event went by very quickly (e.g. an opera performance) while someone else may have felt it as extremely slow. Time is a personal experience that is nonphysical.
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Old 06-01-2015, 09:30 AM
 
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Yes, I agree. The feedback is experienced as memories. Memory is the defining characteristic of existence. Everything is based upon it and everyone experiences it differently. Thus one person may feel an event went by very quickly (e.g. an opera performance) while someone else may have felt it as extremely slow. Time is a personal experience that is nonphysical.
I am trying to get my kid to program a self driving car based on this. he can't use any other input but a camera. Not that he can get it to work, but rather gain an understanding on how this works. Sometimes getting it to work is better than studying the human "itself" first.
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Old 06-06-2015, 01:51 AM
 
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You are measuring the irregular movements of an object in space. This is not time. Time can feel fast or slow and is different for each person. We witness time as a series of hetetogemeous and contiguous memories. This is how we know there is time. What you are calling time is just a device for attempting to synchronize events. It has nothing to do with life as we are experiencing it.
Distance Speed Time Formula

x = d/t

Where:

x is the Speed in m/s,
d is the Distance traveled in m,
t is the time taken in s.

If time did not exist then this formula would not work.

However we know that this formula works...therefore time exists.
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Old 06-06-2015, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Distance Speed Time Formula

x = d/t

Where:

x is the Speed in m/s,
d is the Distance traveled in m,
t is the time taken in s.

If time did not exist then this formula would not work.

However we know that this formula works...therefore time exists.
You are only 400 years behind the times. The theory of relativity has already demonstrated all of the problems associated with this formula. But the problem with the theory of relativity is that "time" in the formula has nothing to do with the time that we experience as human beings. Relativity is a way of transformation not measurement of time
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Old 06-06-2015, 10:23 AM
 
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You are only 400 years behind the times. The theory of relativity has already demonstrated all of the problems associated with this formula. But the problem with the theory of relativity is that "time" in the formula has nothing to do with the time that we experience as human beings. Relativity is a way of transformation not measurement of time

Sounds like you need to update your education. The Theory of Relativity wasn't proposed until 100 years ago.

However, time still exists, whether it's warped by a gravity field or due to the inertial reference frame that the motion is observed from.

Whether we experience the flow of events differently from a perceptual perspective does not negate the existence of time.

Perhaps it's quantized differently for each of us, but that's just the limitation of the human sensory and processing capabilities. There is a flow of events in a predictable fashion and this is time. Whether you measure it in seconds or in a blink of an eye there is still time.
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Old 06-07-2015, 11:43 AM
 
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"time" is state changes. As near as we can tell. state changes happen at different rates when we watch from one region of space and compare it to another region of space. The happens because the "fields" get stretched or contracted with objects producing gravity.

we call the flow of state changes time. "time" is like the sun rise. when you look deeply into it the sun doesn't rise. But its fine to say it does most times.
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Old 06-07-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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"Light travels at the same speed no matter how much gravity there is. Gravity just alters the path of the light, by curving it. Speed = distance / time. Fun fact: GPS Satellites are programmed with two sets of software. One is for time being constant. The other accounts for Relativity. When they launched the first satellites they weren't sure which was accurate. Turns out, relativity wins! GPS cant be accurate without relativity in the software equations".
Alexi provides a good explanation as to how gravity affects time.

How does gravity affect time? - Quora

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Old 06-07-2015, 05:34 PM
 
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Matadora, I believe you are missing the point which is that biological and metaphysical
realities as we are capable of observing them are stand-alone realities which do not
need "time" to exist on their own merits.
Thus, "time" could be no more than a unit of measurement which tracks phenomena,
not a phenomenon itself.
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Old 06-07-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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I think it's time for an answer: yes.
There you have it. Time exists.
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Old 06-07-2015, 09:41 PM
 
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WTF? You can measure time. From the time the sun sets to the time the sun rises etc. If it is observable it is measurable.
The issue is if you're standing on the highest mountain and someone standing next to the ocean measuring the same sunrise/sunset, your measurement of time is slightly slower because gravity affects time. If you both stood in those positions for X amount of time with perfect clocks and and met somewhere afterward the clocks would be different.
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