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Old 07-27-2015, 11:52 PM
 
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Here we go.. my thread transformed into a dispute between a blind believer referring to faith and rational non-believer.

The point of religion is morality.

YOU DON'T NEED to have faith to be a good person!

And there is no point in this argument if we could leave it at that.

And by the way, why would "god" have a gender? Does "he" have sex with something?

Fellow Atheists, save yourselves breath...anyone who is religious apparently lacks the ability to make decisions based on logic.
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Old 07-28-2015, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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"You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one"

That would be nice for about an hour until the looting began.
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Old 07-28-2015, 06:18 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Humanity on the whole is not that far ahead of barbarianism. Maybe someday in the distant future, there will be no borders, no religions dividing and retarding people, and people will exercise universal morality simply for the sake of the common good, rather than scoring points with "god" or reward in the afterlife. Peaceful, comfortable living distills to a handful of things; play your part to contribute to common resources, don't hurt others, don't steal, don't control or take advantage of others for your own gain, respect the availability of resources, respect common living space by not littering. My, what a lovely world that would be.
You've just outlined why we do indeed have a border.
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Old 07-28-2015, 06:29 AM
 
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Humanity on the whole is not that far ahead of barbarianism. Maybe someday in the distant future, there will be no borders, no religions dividing and retarding people, and people will exercise universal morality simply for the sake of the common good, rather than scoring points with "god" or reward in the afterlife. Peaceful, comfortable living distills to a handful of things; play your part to contribute to common resources, don't hurt others, don't steal, don't control or take advantage of others for your own gain, respect the availability of resources, respect common living space by not littering. My, what a lovely world that would be.
I agree. Just because something seems unrealistic at any given point does not mean that no efforts to move in that direction are worthwhile. Even if it doesn't succeed, it's still better than where we are today, I'd argue. Or to quote Aerosmith, "dream on, dream on, dream until your dreams come true!"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZfZ8uWaOFI
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:45 AM
 
Location: In a chartreuse microbus
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Ah there is a problem with your analogy. First off I assume that you believe GOD to be all powerful. If he is all powerful why would he waste his time leaving incredibly vague clues for believers. Not to mention a God that expects unquestioning loyalty and subservience with no evidence is incredibly disturbing in my opinion.

I'd list a hundred verses that are clear as a sunny day, but this isn't the religion forum, and you wouldn't believe them anyway.

Back to the philosophical, how do we enforce this human goodness in a universal manner?
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I'd list a hundred verses that are clear as a sunny day, but this isn't the religion forum, and you wouldn't believe them anyway.

Back to the philosophical, how do we enforce this human goodness in a universal manner?
The bible doesn't count since it was written by humans. I could claim the Time Machine written by HG Wells proves time travel exists.
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:56 AM
 
Location: West Madison^WMHT
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Lightbulb America's Second Continental Congress got it right in 1777

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But--I think laws should be uniform across the world.
I disagree. I think laws should be even more varied, both across the USA and across the world, with some basic protections of human rights and human dignity. The 1777 Articles of Confederation stemmed called for a confederacy—placing sovereign power in the hands of the states: “Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

People can then move to the venue where the laws best fit them. If you want to live in a nanny state where everybody is coddled and nothing is allowed to hurt you, but with very little freedom, that can be accommodated. If you would rather live in the ultimate expression of Randian Objectivism, that too should be available.

Trying to make the world more uniform and making every person the same is doomed to fail. Humans need diversity!
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:57 AM
 
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The bible doesn't count since it was written by humans. I could claim the Time Machine written by HG Wells proves time travel exists.
Since everything was written by humans, what is your reference point for reality?
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Since everything was written by humans, what is your reference point for reality?
Why the scientific process. I can't think of anything in bible that proves anything about our reality. No mention of gravity the earth orbiting the sun or how we work at a cellular level. It is a series of assertions written by mystics and it is a terrible tool for determining truth. In fact it has been an obstacle to truth for thousands of years as the believers have attempted to slow scientific progress.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:24 AM
 
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Ohh, barbarism. I thought you were leaning more towards a "one earth" type deal like with Star Trek's United Federation of Planets.


A documentary mentioned "type II civilizations" and how they're permanent. I don't think we'll get to that point, but one can dream
Michio Kaku describes the 3 type of civilization pretty well. I think that once we reach Type I civilization (around 2100..?) and start to transition into a Type II civilization is when you will start to legitimately see an Earth without borders. The rise of a controlled AI and Interstellar travel will have the biggest effects to create a borderless world.

https://youtu.be/6GooNhOIMY0
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