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Originally Posted by cindersslipper
What us humans with our direly limited intelligence call "god" or "God" or whatever - an invisible universal force which can be harnessed (prayer) but yet to be discovered.
You know, like magnets used to be.
And gravity.
Electricity
etc...
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You are in danger of a fallacy of conflation, i.e. a conflation of perspectives.
There are two main perspectives in consideration here;
1. The Empirical
2. The Transcendental - metaphysics, i.e. beyond and independent of the empirical.
Whatever is 'empirical' is verifiable, falsifiable, testable, and justifiable by empirical methods.
Germs, viruses, gravity, electricity, energy, physical forces, mental forces, quarks, other invisible empirical things, and the likes belong specifically to the "empirical" because they are empirically testable and verifiable.
Whatever is fully verifiable is empirically real.
Whatever that is speculated in considered 'empirically possible' as long as they are conditioned by
empirical properties.
Human-like aliens existing billions of light years away out there in space is a possibility [albeit very low] as long at all their properties are empirical.
Empirical God?
If any one were to claim 'God' is an
empirical Being out there [like what they used to claim God as a man with a beard up there], then it is empirically possible [albeit very low]. But an empirical 'God' is limited and cannot be THE ABSOLUTE GOD, which is Perfect with all relevant Absolute properties.
Transcendental Absolute God
The ABSOLUTE GOD that people look up to as a savior is the 'supreme-most of the supremes' and the greatest in every which way. The best definition being the ontological, i.e.
God is a Being than which no greater can be conceived -St Anselm and others.
This Perfect Omni-whatever God can never be empirical.
Such a God can only be deliberated within the Transcendental-Metaphysical perspective.
Whilst such a Transcendental God can be conceived [thought of] it is an i
mpossibility [like a square-circle].
Because God per-se is transcendental, it is not rational to conflate it with the empirical. Note the logical fallacy of conflation and equivocation.
Therefore it a deception [innocent or rhetorical] or false to equivocate gravity, electricity and other
empirical [oil] invisibles with a
transcendental [water] God.
Nevertheless a transcendental God [can never be real but merely thought] can be brought to thought and it can serve as very critical
psychological balm to deal with existential angst, despairs, anxieties, and all its related psychological manifestations. This psychology is what is really going on with the majority, i.e. 80% of people on Earth.
Because the transcendental idea of a 'God' is merely for personal psychology to deal with existential angst, such an idea should never be translated to 'Laws' of any sort that impinge in the basic human dignity of other individuals [Islam & Sharia, etc.] nor hinder the progress of human knowledge [Creationism, etc.].
The only effective solution to the evils and violence arising directly from theism is to soften its proximate roots and ground, to demonstrate it is '100% Certainty God do not exists.'
Thus if follows, since God is fictitious there is no grounds to kill other humans beings in God's name.
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...Clueless human is what you are....Very clueless....It's people like you that gives religion a bad reputation....
